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NO, Python is not simple at all, especially nowadays with all the asyncio stuff and tons of new features in 3.4+. One can't even follow what's happening with th

NO, Python is not simple at all, especially nowadays with all the asyncio stuff and tons of new features in 3.4+. One can't even follow what's happening with the language. I don't understand where this nonsense is coming from. Probably ignorance? You might not know too much about it to understand how huge and complex Python is.

lykr0n 8y ago
asyncio is a feature, not a requirement. Most people will never need to use it or the threading library will meet their use case. Every language will get more complex as you dig into it, but most people don't need to go beyond the surface.
- Walkman 8y ago
  The most basic things are hard to grasp also. I had a really hard time understanding what is the difference between unicode, str, bytes and how to encode what when I started with it 5 years ago: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14839028/how-are-these-strings-represented-internally-in-python-interpreter-i-dont-und https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14839028/how-are-these-s... Nowadays, teachers have to start with generators and yield even for beginners, because most of the things are generators in Python3, which is not a trivial concept to understand when you have no programming background.
bsder 8y ago
It depends. I can have an intern up and programming basic Python in about 3 days from nothing. I have run this experiment multiple times with teenagers. The nice part about Python is that I can gradually introduce them to new features as they hit the problems the features are meant to solve. And, I WILL argue that Python's syntax is easier to keep in your brain. Somewhere on HN there was an article showing the grammars of various programming languages as connected graphs, Python was quite obviously simpler than just about everything else.
- Someone 8y ago
  Possibly http://blog.nicksieger.com/articles/2006/10/27/visualization-of-rubys-grammar/ http://blog.nicksieger.com/articles/2006/10/27/visualization.... A comment links to http://flickr.com/photos/nicksieger/281055485/ http://flickr.com/photos/nicksieger/281055485/
tomallalone 8y ago
I agree Python isn't simple at all, but I think it does have a kind of surface simplicity that its culture reinforces. 'one obvious way', etc. Or to put it another way its a language you can do a lot with without caring too much about details. Or to put it another way still you can go a long way with Python, Stack Overflow, and a bit of copy and paste.
mayniac 8y ago
No need to use asyncio as a beginner. Not all problems require concurrency to solve. The vast majority of the automation scripts I write have no need for it.

lykr0n 8y ago

asyncio is a feature, not a requirement. Most people will never need to use it or the threading library will meet their use case. Every language will get more complex as you dig into it, but most people don't need to go beyond the surface.

Walkman 8y ago
The most basic things are hard to grasp also. I had a really hard time understanding what is the difference between unicode, str, bytes and how to encode what when I started with it 5 years ago: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14839028/how-are-these-strings-represented-internally-in-python-interpreter-i-dont-und https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14839028/how-are-these-s... Nowadays, teachers have to start with generators and yield even for beginners, because most of the things are generators in Python3, which is not a trivial concept to understand when you have no programming background.

bsder 8y ago

It depends. I can have an intern up and programming basic Python in about 3 days from nothing. I have run this experiment multiple times with teenagers. The nice part about Python is that I can gradually introduce them to new features as they hit the problems the features are meant to solve. And, I WILL argue that Python's syntax is easier to keep in your brain. Somewhere on HN there was an article showing the grammars of various programming languages as connected graphs, Python was quite obviously simpler than just about everything else.

Someone 8y ago
Possibly http://blog.nicksieger.com/articles/2006/10/27/visualization-of-rubys-grammar/ http://blog.nicksieger.com/articles/2006/10/27/visualization.... A comment links to http://flickr.com/photos/nicksieger/281055485/ http://flickr.com/photos/nicksieger/281055485/

tomallalone 8y ago

I agree Python isn't simple at all, but I think it does have a kind of surface simplicity that its culture reinforces. 'one obvious way', etc. Or to put it another way its a language you can do a lot with without caring too much about details. Or to put it another way still you can go a long way with Python, Stack Overflow, and a bit of copy and paste.

mayniac 8y ago

No need to use asyncio as a beginner. Not all problems require concurrency to solve. The vast majority of the automation scripts I write have no need for it.