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I agree with the last part, but not the first. As a class, white folks got capital, property, education, opportunities, and more—all denied to black people. I h

I agree with the last part, but not the first. As a class, white folks got capital, property, education, opportunities, and more—all denied to black people. I have to think that amassing of resources have an effect today.

weberc2 8y ago
Blacks aren’t denied opportunity in the US; some of them live in low-opportunity areas due to effects of historical slavery (too many but far from all). These problems are hard to solve even for those with great intentions. The distinction is important.
- TheCoelacanth 8y ago
  That is hilariously naive. No one ever racially discriminates or denies someone an opportunity because of their race anymore? Racism was just stopped cold in 1964?
  - weberc2 8y ago
    You’re arguing against your own straw man. I never claimed it never happens to anyone. If you can’t participate in good faith, I won’t engage further.
craigsmansion 8y ago
My apologies. In my post I might have been more sarcastic than I intended, which notoriously doesn't carry well over the written medium. The effects of slavery have been, in my opinion, been carried over to modern times in the U.S., but everyone on the right side of the divide hides behind "equal opportunity" and "personal responsibility". The defence is that everyone with an equal amount of assets has the same opportunities, which might be true, but complete disregards the historical opportunities of people to have amassed those assets in the first place resulting in the narrative that the U.S. isn't racist in nature, it's just that its ideals of equality just happens to put people of colour at a disadvantage so everyone not affected can shrug it off, secure in the knowledge that they really earned their wealth, and that those less fortunate should just work harder. The system is fair, after all, since it worked out for them.

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I agree with the last part, but not the first. As a class, white folks got capital, property, education, opportunities, and more—all denied to black people. I h

by xphilter 8y ago

weberc2 8y ago
Blacks aren’t denied opportunity in the US; some of them live in low-opportunity areas due to effects of historical slavery (too many but far from all). These problems are hard to solve even for those with great intentions. The distinction is important.
- TheCoelacanth 8y ago
  That is hilariously naive. No one ever racially discriminates or denies someone an opportunity because of their race anymore? Racism was just stopped cold in 1964?
  - weberc2 8y ago
    You’re arguing against your own straw man. I never claimed it never happens to anyone. If you can’t participate in good faith, I won’t engage further.
craigsmansion 8y ago
My apologies. In my post I might have been more sarcastic than I intended, which notoriously doesn't carry well over the written medium. The effects of slavery have been, in my opinion, been carried over to modern times in the U.S., but everyone on the right side of the divide hides behind "equal opportunity" and "personal responsibility". The defence is that everyone with an equal amount of assets has the same opportunities, which might be true, but complete disregards the historical opportunities of people to have amassed those assets in the first place resulting in the narrative that the U.S. isn't racist in nature, it's just that its ideals of equality just happens to put people of colour at a disadvantage so everyone not affected can shrug it off, secure in the knowledge that they really earned their wealth, and that those less fortunate should just work harder. The system is fair, after all, since it worked out for them.