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The idea of LinkedIn is good, but the execution is absolutely awful. It encourages spam and lies, has a shit app (on iOS) and the “social” aspect of it is compl

The idea of LinkedIn is good, but the execution is absolutely awful. It encourages spam and lies, has a shit app (on iOS) and the “social” aspect of it is completely stupid and useless (they now even support videos - WTF?). I’d pay good money for a “premium” alternative without the above issues.

throwaway9980 8y ago
What do you get when you combine LinkedIn, spam, and videos? Gary Vaynerchuk! It took me a few weeks of unfollowing, unsubscribing, or clicking whatever buttons were available for “omfg stop showing me this stuff” to delouse my feed of all things Gary Vee.
- ta1234567890 8y ago
  This. GV is like a LinkedIn virus, really annoying. Also the guy is like the author of Rich Dad Poor Dad, getting rich by selling advise on how they got rich, which is all pretty much useless for others (or at least very disingenuous)
  - throwaway9980 8y ago
    Yeah, if I didn’t know better I would say that he’s a Sasha Baren Cohen charector. Literally a caricature of a bunch of stereotypes.
  - i_made_a_booboo 8y ago
    totally not how he got rich but OK.
    - tomcooks 8y ago
      not understanding the downvotes, he got rich via his dad's liquor/wine shop
  - withdavidli 8y ago
    Did you do zero research on him? He still runs a marketing business with real customers. He also invested early in FB, Snapchat, and Uber. He had a challenge this year on flipping items from free section of Craigslist, yard sales, thrift stores for profit. What is this all pretty much useless? He gives away 99% of information for free (I've been watching his videos for 3 years). He comes out with a book once every two or three years that's a synthesis of mostly what he has already given away. Think of Tim Ferris' book Tools of Titans. Do you think advise like work to make money so you can fund your own businesses if no one else wants to fund you is useless? How about figuring what you want and reverse engineering the path? Or to successful entrepreneur who doesn't find money rewarding anymore, that it's good thing, because most people never get past the phase of chasing money, that he can focus on what he wants and finds meaningful.
    - lloydde 8y ago
      > He also invested early in FB, Snapchat, and Uber. Sources? I suspect origin will be himself. What does it mean to invest early in Facebook? FB completed its last traditional round in 2006. Personally, I’m a fan of GV, but it’s weird when someone says they invested early to mean outside of an angel investment / funding round. I’d be surprised if he was part of a FB round. Instead like other social media entrepreneurs he likely picked up some on secondary market or directly from a shareholder 2007+ as much for the narrative as the financial investment.
      - withdavidli 8y ago
        I don't discount people that got it in secondary markets. It's not like they're only buying a few shares. I can't find outside sources. The most legit one is from WSJ[0], 200k investment in 2009. Hopefully they verified holdings and date of investment before printing. Crunchbase does list him as Angel/Seed Round investor in Uber in 2010[1]. [0] https://outline.com/8HHZFF https://outline.com/8HHZFF [1]https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/uber-angel--c76f9429#section-overview https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/uber-angel--c76f942...
        8y ago
  - hello_newman 8y ago
    I understand you're probably like most people on hacker news and don't care for people on the "sales end" of the spectrum, but he definitely didn't get rich selling advice. He runs a really successful marketing company (https://vaynermedia.com/ https://vaynermedia.com/) a sports agency (http://vaynersports.com/ http://vaynersports.com/), gives most of his content away for free on YouTube, wrote 4 books and is a NYT + Wall Street Journal Bestseller, and is pretty respected in the early stage Silicon Valley investment community (https://www.crunchbase.com/person/gary-vaynerchuk/investments/investments_list#section-personal-investments https://www.crunchbase.com/person/gary-vaynerchuk/investment...). Like most things on hacker news, don't speak on something unless you know what you're talking about.
    - SpecialistEMT 8y ago
      Hes totally fueling his company by being famous. Wouldnt exist otherwise. Elon Musk of digital advertising
      - hello_newman 8y ago
        considering how his company came before he was really famous, I highly doubt that. It's ok if you don't care for Gary V, he's not for everyone, but saying his success is contingent on the fact the he's "famous" is simply not true. Again, if you don't know what you're talking about, you probably shouldn't be speaking on it.
        SpecialistEMT 8y ago
        I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm working in the same field, own a digital agency. He's a snake-oil salesman.
vadym909 8y ago
Unfortunately no one is on those 'premium' alternatives cos most people know this is a possible route to an opportunity- not the only one or the best one.
lsc 8y ago
Why would you want an iOS app for linkedin? Unless you are a recruiter it's just not a daily use kind of thing. I don't really understand why most people use apps for things that are essentially websites that don't have unusual latency requirements. I mean, sure, maps and some of the other daily use things, those extra microseconds matter. I want to do more of it locally. But things like linkedin and facebook? the ios browser works fine for that (well, I haven't figured out how to make facebook messages work through the mobile website... but there's no way I'm installing that app)
- siimtalvik 8y ago
  hold refresh button and click on "request desktop site". then go to facebook.com/messages.
  - lsc 8y ago
    Thanks for the support. Your instructions work, and I can switch back to the mobile site by closing the window and navigating back.
    - lsc 8y ago
      Note; as someone who has done a lot of tech support, I think it's important to tell people "that worked" when they give you tech support and that support leads to the problem being solved. Paid or not.
- yread 8y ago
  or you can use mbasic.facebook.com
- Rjevski 8y ago
  I use LinkedIn as a less creepy alternative to Facebook Messenger, to keep in touch with people who I don’t have their number or who don’t have iMessage. As a result I’d love to have a decent native app at least for the messaging part of it.

throwaway9980 8y ago

What do you get when you combine LinkedIn, spam, and videos? Gary Vaynerchuk! It took me a few weeks of unfollowing, unsubscribing, or clicking whatever buttons were available for “omfg stop showing me this stuff” to delouse my feed of all things Gary Vee.

ta1234567890 8y ago
This. GV is like a LinkedIn virus, really annoying. Also the guy is like the author of Rich Dad Poor Dad, getting rich by selling advise on how they got rich, which is all pretty much useless for others (or at least very disingenuous)
- throwaway9980 8y ago
  Yeah, if I didn’t know better I would say that he’s a Sasha Baren Cohen charector. Literally a caricature of a bunch of stereotypes.
- i_made_a_booboo 8y ago
  totally not how he got rich but OK.
  - tomcooks 8y ago
    not understanding the downvotes, he got rich via his dad's liquor/wine shop
- withdavidli 8y ago
  Did you do zero research on him? He still runs a marketing business with real customers. He also invested early in FB, Snapchat, and Uber. He had a challenge this year on flipping items from free section of Craigslist, yard sales, thrift stores for profit. What is this all pretty much useless? He gives away 99% of information for free (I've been watching his videos for 3 years). He comes out with a book once every two or three years that's a synthesis of mostly what he has already given away. Think of Tim Ferris' book Tools of Titans. Do you think advise like work to make money so you can fund your own businesses if no one else wants to fund you is useless? How about figuring what you want and reverse engineering the path? Or to successful entrepreneur who doesn't find money rewarding anymore, that it's good thing, because most people never get past the phase of chasing money, that he can focus on what he wants and finds meaningful.
  - lloydde 8y ago
    > He also invested early in FB, Snapchat, and Uber. Sources? I suspect origin will be himself. What does it mean to invest early in Facebook? FB completed its last traditional round in 2006. Personally, I’m a fan of GV, but it’s weird when someone says they invested early to mean outside of an angel investment / funding round. I’d be surprised if he was part of a FB round. Instead like other social media entrepreneurs he likely picked up some on secondary market or directly from a shareholder 2007+ as much for the narrative as the financial investment.
    - withdavidli 8y ago
      I don't discount people that got it in secondary markets. It's not like they're only buying a few shares. I can't find outside sources. The most legit one is from WSJ[0], 200k investment in 2009. Hopefully they verified holdings and date of investment before printing. Crunchbase does list him as Angel/Seed Round investor in Uber in 2010[1]. [0] https://outline.com/8HHZFF https://outline.com/8HHZFF [1]https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/uber-angel--c76f9429#section-overview https://www.crunchbase.com/funding_round/uber-angel--c76f942...
      - 8y ago
- hello_newman 8y ago
  I understand you're probably like most people on hacker news and don't care for people on the "sales end" of the spectrum, but he definitely didn't get rich selling advice. He runs a really successful marketing company (https://vaynermedia.com/ https://vaynermedia.com/) a sports agency (http://vaynersports.com/ http://vaynersports.com/), gives most of his content away for free on YouTube, wrote 4 books and is a NYT + Wall Street Journal Bestseller, and is pretty respected in the early stage Silicon Valley investment community (https://www.crunchbase.com/person/gary-vaynerchuk/investments/investments_list#section-personal-investments https://www.crunchbase.com/person/gary-vaynerchuk/investment...). Like most things on hacker news, don't speak on something unless you know what you're talking about.
  - SpecialistEMT 8y ago
    Hes totally fueling his company by being famous. Wouldnt exist otherwise. Elon Musk of digital advertising
    - hello_newman 8y ago
      considering how his company came before he was really famous, I highly doubt that. It's ok if you don't care for Gary V, he's not for everyone, but saying his success is contingent on the fact the he's "famous" is simply not true. Again, if you don't know what you're talking about, you probably shouldn't be speaking on it.
      - SpecialistEMT 8y ago
        I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm working in the same field, own a digital agency. He's a snake-oil salesman.

vadym909 8y ago

Unfortunately no one is on those 'premium' alternatives cos most people know this is a possible route to an opportunity- not the only one or the best one.

lsc 8y ago

Why would you want an iOS app for linkedin? Unless you are a recruiter it's just not a daily use kind of thing. I don't really understand why most people use apps for things that are essentially websites that don't have unusual latency requirements. I mean, sure, maps and some of the other daily use things, those extra microseconds matter. I want to do more of it locally. But things like linkedin and facebook? the ios browser works fine for that (well, I haven't figured out how to make facebook messages work through the mobile website... but there's no way I'm installing that app)

siimtalvik 8y ago
hold refresh button and click on "request desktop site". then go to facebook.com/messages.
- lsc 8y ago
  Thanks for the support. Your instructions work, and I can switch back to the mobile site by closing the window and navigating back.
  - lsc 8y ago
    Note; as someone who has done a lot of tech support, I think it's important to tell people "that worked" when they give you tech support and that support leads to the problem being solved. Paid or not.
yread 8y ago
or you can use mbasic.facebook.com
Rjevski 8y ago
I use LinkedIn as a less creepy alternative to Facebook Messenger, to keep in touch with people who I don’t have their number or who don’t have iMessage. As a result I’d love to have a decent native app at least for the messaging part of it.