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Assange is a hero? Last I checked he was working with Russia to support the Trump campaign. Used to respect him a lot, lost all my respect for him and WikiLeak

Assange is a hero? Last I checked he was working with Russia to support the Trump campaign. Used to respect him a lot, lost all my respect for him and WikiLeaks when he got involved in trying to influence elections. That was not that site's mandate.

undseg 8y ago
Can you elaborate on that? Provide sources etc. Genuinely curious
- jumelles 8y ago
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/26/assange-slams-incredible-politicization-media-covering-campaign.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/26/assange-slams-inc... "Assange also accused the Clinton campaign of stoking "a kind of neo-McCarthy hysteria" about Russia's alleged role in the DNC hacking and Moscow's purported links to the Trump campaign." Meanwhile a recent federal indictment has accused Russia of doing exactly that: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/13/rosenstein-says-12-russian-intel-officers-indicted-in-special-counsels-probe.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/13/rosenstein-says-1... The indictment is here: https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download More info here: https://www.2016activemeasures.org/#involved https://www.2016activemeasures.org/#involved
  - _up 8y ago
    Everyone can be accused. That in itself doesn't mean anything. Also, Ex FBI Director Comney testified that the FBI didn't get access to the DNC server. Instead, the DNC hired itself people to verify their claim that they were hacked. How can they be serious if they aren't even trying to secure the main evidence? It is also pretty clear that they are not on Trumps side by announcing this directly before the summit. https://www.c-span.org/video/?425087-1/fbi-director-investigating-links-trump-campaign-russia&start=18335 https://www.c-span.org/video/?425087-1/fbi-director-investig...
    - 18pfsmt 8y ago
      This is a site populated by technical people, so please don't characterize technical security audits so simplistically ("what about the server" is a complete red herring). There were 140 servers, not "the server." Regardless, the interesting data was found in the network gear of the data center that housed the servers (i.e. meta data/ connectivity logs). Trump was given the choice as to when the latest indictments were announced.
      - _up 8y ago
        I don't know why you seem to be so triggered. I only wanted to discuss an alternate viewpoint. Science is about asking questions not accepting only studies that validate your own viewpoint. I didn't know that there were 140 servers involved. Interesting. So did Comney lie and the FBI actually did get access to everything, including the physical Hardware. The thing is even if you have found proof that Russian Spies got access to the system it only implicates spying not publishing. The leak could still have come from someone inside the DNC. So to examine everything is essential. Also usually Police at least try to look impartial and not only look at evidence that supports their desired outcome. Looking only at the network gear like you said is the opposite of that.
resters 8y ago
It's not really accurate to say he was trying to influence elections. His goal is to publish verifiable documents that bring transparency to important political issues. He did not take sides whatsoever in the 2016 election, and obviously would have loved to publish information about Trump if any had been leaked to WL.
- jumelles 8y ago
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/wikileaks-fuels-conspiracy-theories-about-dnc-staffer-s-death-n627401 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/wikileaks-fue... WikiLeaks promoted false conspiracy theories.
  - resters 8y ago
    I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that WL promoted those theories. Clearly if you watch the full statement Assange makes, he's simply establishing a universe of possible sources of the leaks. Statistically, a disgruntled employee is significantly more likely to attempt sabotage than many/most of the other explanations being floated at the time. Also, FWIW anyone can weaponize a system like Wikileaks, and we should reasonably expect that to be a major source of the leaked data. But keeping in mind that WL is something that can be weaponized, there are many different attacks that can be delivered through it.
- bootlooped 8y ago
  > and obviously would have loved to publish information about Trump if any had been leaked to WL. I don't think that's clear, since they were in seemingly friendly contact with Donald Trump Jr and Roger Stone. When caught, Assange claimed they were only pretending to be friendly with them. If Wikileaks has no credibility, the explanation is unbelievable, if the explanation is believable it means they are willing to lie and deceive to achieve their goals, which in turn loses them credibility. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-sec... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/roger-stones-secret-messages-with-wikileaks/554432/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/roger-s... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/assange-claims-wikileaks-was-trying-to-beguile-donald-trump-jr-into-leaking/545819/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/assange...

undseg 8y ago

Can you elaborate on that? Provide sources etc. Genuinely curious

jumelles 8y ago
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/26/assange-slams-incredible-politicization-media-covering-campaign.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/26/assange-slams-inc... "Assange also accused the Clinton campaign of stoking "a kind of neo-McCarthy hysteria" about Russia's alleged role in the DNC hacking and Moscow's purported links to the Trump campaign." Meanwhile a recent federal indictment has accused Russia of doing exactly that: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/13/rosenstein-says-12-russian-intel-officers-indicted-in-special-counsels-probe.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/13/rosenstein-says-1... The indictment is here: https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download More info here: https://www.2016activemeasures.org/#involved https://www.2016activemeasures.org/#involved
- _up 8y ago
  Everyone can be accused. That in itself doesn't mean anything. Also, Ex FBI Director Comney testified that the FBI didn't get access to the DNC server. Instead, the DNC hired itself people to verify their claim that they were hacked. How can they be serious if they aren't even trying to secure the main evidence? It is also pretty clear that they are not on Trumps side by announcing this directly before the summit. https://www.c-span.org/video/?425087-1/fbi-director-investigating-links-trump-campaign-russia&start=18335 https://www.c-span.org/video/?425087-1/fbi-director-investig...
  - 18pfsmt 8y ago
    This is a site populated by technical people, so please don't characterize technical security audits so simplistically ("what about the server" is a complete red herring). There were 140 servers, not "the server." Regardless, the interesting data was found in the network gear of the data center that housed the servers (i.e. meta data/ connectivity logs). Trump was given the choice as to when the latest indictments were announced.
    - _up 8y ago
      I don't know why you seem to be so triggered. I only wanted to discuss an alternate viewpoint. Science is about asking questions not accepting only studies that validate your own viewpoint. I didn't know that there were 140 servers involved. Interesting. So did Comney lie and the FBI actually did get access to everything, including the physical Hardware. The thing is even if you have found proof that Russian Spies got access to the system it only implicates spying not publishing. The leak could still have come from someone inside the DNC. So to examine everything is essential. Also usually Police at least try to look impartial and not only look at evidence that supports their desired outcome. Looking only at the network gear like you said is the opposite of that.

resters 8y ago

It's not really accurate to say he was trying to influence elections. His goal is to publish verifiable documents that bring transparency to important political issues. He did not take sides whatsoever in the 2016 election, and obviously would have loved to publish information about Trump if any had been leaked to WL.

jumelles 8y ago
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/wikileaks-fuels-conspiracy-theories-about-dnc-staffer-s-death-n627401 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/wikileaks-fue... WikiLeaks promoted false conspiracy theories.
- resters 8y ago
  I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that WL promoted those theories. Clearly if you watch the full statement Assange makes, he's simply establishing a universe of possible sources of the leaks. Statistically, a disgruntled employee is significantly more likely to attempt sabotage than many/most of the other explanations being floated at the time. Also, FWIW anyone can weaponize a system like Wikileaks, and we should reasonably expect that to be a major source of the leaked data. But keeping in mind that WL is something that can be weaponized, there are many different attacks that can be delivered through it.
bootlooped 8y ago
> and obviously would have loved to publish information about Trump if any had been leaked to WL. I don't think that's clear, since they were in seemingly friendly contact with Donald Trump Jr and Roger Stone. When caught, Assange claimed they were only pretending to be friendly with them. If Wikileaks has no credibility, the explanation is unbelievable, if the explanation is believable it means they are willing to lie and deceive to achieve their goals, which in turn loses them credibility. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-sec... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/roger-stones-secret-messages-with-wikileaks/554432/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/roger-s... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/assange-claims-wikileaks-was-trying-to-beguile-donald-trump-jr-into-leaking/545819/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/assange...