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I just turned 40 a few days ago, and after a bad divorce decided to pull my body out of the shitter again. Dealing with a divorce on tren+pose+t is, awful. But

I just turned 40 a few days ago, and after a bad divorce decided to pull my body out of the shitter again. Dealing with a divorce on tren+pose+t is, awful. But the results are hard to argue with. I go to the gym 6 days a week, I lift all the things I'm supposed to, and the weight comes off, and the muscles grow. I've lost a shirt size in 8 weeks; my biceps don't fit in my shirts anymore. In 6 months I'll be unrecognizable, then I am getting out. No matter how much heart I put into the gym, I cannot lose weight with diet and exercise. It is so frustrating dealing with doctors at this age. They'll tell you "diet and exercise" knowing full well you don't have the hormones to lose weight or recover from exercise, and that medical science has proven diets don't work because obesity is primarily a hormonal problem or a reaction to stress. About five years ago, I hired a professional bodybuilder as a diet coach/trainer and he diagnosed me with low T and adrenal insufficiency. I brought the tests to my doc he says, "this is good stuff", and he still won't prescribe T, but he still has the balls to say, "I want to see you at the gym." I am going to run the gauntlet this one last time. Wish I wasn't single, however. I just try to burn it off the energy at the gym. I'm glad you've reached some stability, and thanks for the thoughtful reply. :)

balfirevic 8y ago
> and that medical science has proven diets don't work because obesity is primarily a hormonal problem or a reaction to stress Wait, when did that happen?
- oceanghost 8y ago
  A comma would have made that sentence much better, my apologies. The clinical data on long-term weight loss is miserable. The fact is that almost everyone gains weight back (as high as 95% of patients after 5 years), and something like 60% gain more weight back than they started. I went on to speculate that most people who are obese have an underlying condition.
  - mdomans 8y ago
    They usually have underlying psychological condition which they fail to address. Note that all the "regain" studies were done in cohorts that had either severe problems or lacked proper professional assistance (which these days you can get online for 100USD). The fact that you can loose weight is simple physics. The fact that these people often have endocrine issues is near tautology because adipose tissue HAS endocrine activity and thus ones changes hormonal profile if in excess. Usual set of changes include: insulin resistance, lower testosterone, low thyroid hormones, leptin resistance, higher SHBG and usually higher estrogen. Doesn't mean dieting won't work but if someone is long-term overweight he needs more work than just a difference in bodyweight.
    - oceanghost 8y ago
      For me, it was celiac disease.
      - mdomans 8y ago
        It happens. There are multiple others possible problems, but I'd say that it's 20% other and 80% diet
mdomans 8y ago
If I may chime in: trenbolone and boldenone will hit your psyche hard. Here's a short on pro bodybuilders. Most of them know jack shit about endocrine system. I'm sorry, but I work in this business. I've seen pros with IFBB pro card having their "pupils" on 100iu insulin daily. It's pure stupid. And I don't blame your doc because adrenal insufficiency is moot, there's a ton of good evidence on that. I've also seen one idiot with IFBB pro being wheeled into ER because he was doing cocaine while on juice and decided to fix with muscle cramps by giving himself IV with potassium. Put together hyperkalemia and cocaine and you're in for a V-fib. I've also seen pro bodybuilders suggesting other stupid things. Some work, some not, main difference is that when you get "diagnosed" by a pro bodybuilder he's responsible for nothing :) To my point: diet and exercise do work. Your adrenal insufficiency was probably effed up cortisol curve (lack of sleep? stress? caffeine hard all day?) but it's not adrenal insufficiency. Adrenal insuffiency is a SERIOUS clinically recognized condition called Addison's diseases and it's symptoms are rather obvious. Low T as for a bodybuilder usually means anything below 400ng/dl. Not 100% healthy and certainly not the best for gym (600ng/dl-800ng/dl range is best), but your doc ins't responsible what's legal in US. My advise would be, if you feel bad on low T, remain on testosterone alone. The main problem with boldenone is CV load (elevated hematocrit) and trenbolone REALLY damages psyche and kidneys. It messes up serotonin metabolism HARD. You can check any respected AAS guru and he will tell you that a month on Trenbolone is ALL that should be done and that's for pros only. I do get that you want fast effects, but it's not worth it. Any bodybuilder I know who used to run trenbolone long term has huge psychological problems, with few ending in the funny town. In short: if you need to do it, drop trenbolone and boldenone, switch yourself to nandrolone, monitor your BP and hematocrit (you can ask your doc for telmisartan) and limit yourself to something like 400mg of testosterone a week. You will just live longer and better.
- oceanghost 8y ago
  You may, and thank you for the reply. You are correct about this. I'm 6 weeks in with tren and near major depression. I'm going to try falling back to T as you've suggested. However, I have NEVER run tren more than 8 weeks, and maybe half a dozen cycles in my life. It is just too powerful. Again, thank you.

balfirevic 8y ago

> and that medical science has proven diets don't work because obesity is primarily a hormonal problem or a reaction to stress Wait, when did that happen?

oceanghost 8y ago
A comma would have made that sentence much better, my apologies. The clinical data on long-term weight loss is miserable. The fact is that almost everyone gains weight back (as high as 95% of patients after 5 years), and something like 60% gain more weight back than they started. I went on to speculate that most people who are obese have an underlying condition.
- mdomans 8y ago
  They usually have underlying psychological condition which they fail to address. Note that all the "regain" studies were done in cohorts that had either severe problems or lacked proper professional assistance (which these days you can get online for 100USD). The fact that you can loose weight is simple physics. The fact that these people often have endocrine issues is near tautology because adipose tissue HAS endocrine activity and thus ones changes hormonal profile if in excess. Usual set of changes include: insulin resistance, lower testosterone, low thyroid hormones, leptin resistance, higher SHBG and usually higher estrogen. Doesn't mean dieting won't work but if someone is long-term overweight he needs more work than just a difference in bodyweight.
  - oceanghost 8y ago
    For me, it was celiac disease.
    - mdomans 8y ago
      It happens. There are multiple others possible problems, but I'd say that it's 20% other and 80% diet

mdomans 8y ago

If I may chime in: trenbolone and boldenone will hit your psyche hard. Here's a short on pro bodybuilders. Most of them know jack shit about endocrine system. I'm sorry, but I work in this business. I've seen pros with IFBB pro card having their "pupils" on 100iu insulin daily. It's pure stupid. And I don't blame your doc because adrenal insufficiency is moot, there's a ton of good evidence on that. I've also seen one idiot with IFBB pro being wheeled into ER because he was doing cocaine while on juice and decided to fix with muscle cramps by giving himself IV with potassium. Put together hyperkalemia and cocaine and you're in for a V-fib. I've also seen pro bodybuilders suggesting other stupid things. Some work, some not, main difference is that when you get "diagnosed" by a pro bodybuilder he's responsible for nothing :) To my point: diet and exercise do work. Your adrenal insufficiency was probably effed up cortisol curve (lack of sleep? stress? caffeine hard all day?) but it's not adrenal insufficiency. Adrenal insuffiency is a SERIOUS clinically recognized condition called Addison's diseases and it's symptoms are rather obvious. Low T as for a bodybuilder usually means anything below 400ng/dl. Not 100% healthy and certainly not the best for gym (600ng/dl-800ng/dl range is best), but your doc ins't responsible what's legal in US. My advise would be, if you feel bad on low T, remain on testosterone alone. The main problem with boldenone is CV load (elevated hematocrit) and trenbolone REALLY damages psyche and kidneys. It messes up serotonin metabolism HARD. You can check any respected AAS guru and he will tell you that a month on Trenbolone is ALL that should be done and that's for pros only. I do get that you want fast effects, but it's not worth it. Any bodybuilder I know who used to run trenbolone long term has huge psychological problems, with few ending in the funny town. In short: if you need to do it, drop trenbolone and boldenone, switch yourself to nandrolone, monitor your BP and hematocrit (you can ask your doc for telmisartan) and limit yourself to something like 400mg of testosterone a week. You will just live longer and better.

oceanghost 8y ago
You may, and thank you for the reply. You are correct about this. I'm 6 weeks in with tren and near major depression. I'm going to try falling back to T as you've suggested. However, I have NEVER run tren more than 8 weeks, and maybe half a dozen cycles in my life. It is just too powerful. Again, thank you.