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They were also moving to a well established architecture from their own bespoke one and now they’re going the other way ...

by rusk 8y ago

close04 8y ago
ARM is a well established ISA. The customization Apple might bring to the CPU architecture will make no difference to a user as long as the compatibility is there. The problem is that as established as ARM is they really don't have a meaningful presence in the desktop/laptop ecosystem. You have probably tens of thousands of apps for the mobile space but even if Apple magically adapted them for a non-touchscreen, keyboard and touchpad world the vast majority still won't cater to the regular or professional user wanting to buy a laptop, not a glorified tablet. And that's a hard sell. Why am I buying a MacBook if all I get is an iPad with a keyboard? And don't get me wrong, having used both iPads and CoreM ultraportables (Apple or otherwise) the iPad offered the better experience more often than not. But if I compare it to the regular CPU it just can't compete. The productivity with mobile apps is not where it should be to convince a normal buyer to switch, let alone a more demanding user.
- rusk 8y ago
  > The problem is that as established as ARM is they really don't have a meaningful presence in the desktop/laptop ecosystem Yes. Not established. That’s what I said.
  - close04 8y ago
    "Not established" and "not established in a specific segment" are two vastly different things. So no, most definitely I didn't say what you said, or what you think I said. ;)
    - rusk 8y ago
      Aye, but you said what I meant. Look at another way - Apple moved from PowerPC to Intel. It's not that Motorola ISA weren't well established but they simply weren't as well established and didn't have access to the same mindshare in terms of high performance hardware and software engineering. So in this sense it's a step back the other way - except for perhaps Intel seem to be stuck in the mire these days.

They were also moving to a well established architecture from their own bespoke one and now they’re going the other way ...

by rusk 8y ago

They were also moving to a well established architecture from their own bespoke one and now they’re going the other way ...

close04 8y ago

ARM is a well established ISA. The customization Apple might bring to the CPU architecture will make no difference to a user as long as the compatibility is there. The problem is that as established as ARM is they really don't have a meaningful presence in the desktop/laptop ecosystem. You have probably tens of thousands of apps for the mobile space but even if Apple magically adapted them for a non-touchscreen, keyboard and touchpad world the vast majority still won't cater to the regular or professional user wanting to buy a laptop, not a glorified tablet. And that's a hard sell. Why am I buying a MacBook if all I get is an iPad with a keyboard? And don't get me wrong, having used both iPads and CoreM ultraportables (Apple or otherwise) the iPad offered the better experience more often than not. But if I compare it to the regular CPU it just can't compete. The productivity with mobile apps is not where it should be to convince a normal buyer to switch, let alone a more demanding user.

rusk 8y ago
> The problem is that as established as ARM is they really don't have a meaningful presence in the desktop/laptop ecosystem Yes. Not established. That’s what I said.
- close04 8y ago
  "Not established" and "not established in a specific segment" are two vastly different things. So no, most definitely I didn't say what you said, or what you think I said. ;)
  - rusk 8y ago
    Aye, but you said what I meant. Look at another way - Apple moved from PowerPC to Intel. It's not that Motorola ISA weren't well established but they simply weren't as well established and didn't have access to the same mindshare in terms of high performance hardware and software engineering. So in this sense it's a step back the other way - except for perhaps Intel seem to be stuck in the mire these days.