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IRC, gnusocial, xmpp, sms to some degree, ham radio, etc. The absence of censorship I think will prove to be tangible enough to make products like peertube suc
by qop 8y ago
IRC, gnusocial, xmpp, sms to some degree, ham radio, etc.
The absence of censorship I think will prove to be tangible enough to make products like peertube successful.
- satsuma 8y agohow many of those have never seen real use/adoption above hobbyists/diehards, though? irc and sms is about it from that list. it was a drag getting people to drop skype for telegram, despite telegram being (in my opinion) more user friendly. getting them to go to something like gnusocial would be damn near impossible. decentralized youtube might be easier to get rolling, on the other hand. all it takes is sharing your videos through it instead of youtube. think about how most people found youtube -- someone linked them a video, statistically likely to be evolution of dance. no reason that can't be done with peertube.
- qop 8y agoPeople made this argument about cars when they were still riding horseback. Let's not defend the worse thing here.
- jabbadabbadooba 8y agoIt's like people pretend the internet has been around for ages and things just are unable to change anymore.
- s73v3r_ 8y agoHandwaving away criticism by saying, "People in the past have been wrong about things before" isn't really addressing anything.
- qop 8y ago??? I already addressed it. Without censorship, decentralized products can thrive. And they currently are. HN's response was "but they're not very big!!!1!"
- satsuma 8y agoi'm not sure that's a valid argument. cars have a clearly tangible benefit above riding horseback, even early automobiles. what's the tangible benefit to a decentralized system like this other than twitter/facebook/social media company not owning your data? the parent comment to my initial post said the absence of censorship, but anecdotally the kinds of people i've seen going to "censorship-free" alternative sites are the kinds i don't particularly care to associate with. voat.co being the "shining" example
- s73v3r_ 8y agoUntil someone puts a bunch of kiddie porn up there. If there's not a reasonable way to take it down, that's a huge issue. Then the absence of censorship might lead to it's downfall.
- qop 8y agoThere's plenty of kiddie porn on facebook, instagram, twitter. They hide it other images or scramble the images themselves to fool filters. Or did you think that magically goes away because it's centralized? GS instances have ways to block content instance-wide. So spam and porn filters can catch items and prevent all users on the instance from seeing it. I don't know if ActivityPub specifies things like that in the spec yet, but moderation is of course a huge factor in the success of the fediverse. Lots of work is devoted to it. Incredibly, nobody needs to be censored. The offending poster can be reported to authorities and handled from there without ever having to tell a user what they can and cannot post.
- s73v3r_ 8y agoYou're handwaving away things again. Other services are not relevant for this. We're not talking about them. If PeerTube gets the reputation for being the place with kiddie porn, no other creators are going to want to go there. "Incredibly, nobody needs to be censored. " This is flat out not true. Kiddie porn and spam, for instance. "The offending poster can be reported to authorities and handled from there without ever having to tell a user what they can and cannot post." Except you're still telling people what not to post. The problem is that you're not allowing for a way to prevent that in the first place.