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I never said poor communication. My subject regarded the entitlement of expectations from consumers. We’re not talking about salmonella lettuce or a blood test

I never said poor communication. My subject regarded the entitlement of expectations from consumers. We’re not talking about salmonella lettuce or a blood test kit that doesn’t work or carcinogenic flame retardants here. This is a product of digital entertainment, with minuscule value to our overall society. Nobody forced these people to pre-order the game or buy it on launch day. They went and bought it before the reviews came out. It is entirely on them as consumers for failing to execute due diligence. So what if the creator lied through their teeth? Plenty of people enjoyed the game for what it was anyway. If an investor wants to sue for breach of contract, they can go for it. Otherwise, the consumers have no recourse. There is no fraud without a court judgement, just a bunch of pissed off consumers. It may suck but that’s the law. Change it if you don’t like it.

EpicEng 8y ago
>I never said poor communication I know, but Sean did in the linked interview. >We’re not talking about salmonella lettuce or a blood test kit that doesn’t work or carcinogenic flame retardants here. This is a product of digital entertainment, with minuscule value to our overall society. What's your point? People shouldn't be pissed that he purposely lied about the game he was trying to sell us? Nothing really matters unless it's a life or death situation? >Nobody forced these people to pre-order the game or buy it on launch day. They went and bought it before the reviews came out. It is entirely on them as consumers for failing to execute due diligence. So it's the consumer's fault? Sure, I also check reviews first, but that's neither here nor there. HE BLATANTLY LIED. Why are you so eager to give him a pass on that? >So what if the creator lied through their teeth? Plenty of people enjoyed the game for what it was anyway. You're not a reasonable person.
wild_preference 8y ago
In your opinion, what’s the point at which “but there are worse things out there” stops making fraud permissible?
- rm_-rf_slash 8y ago
  I did acknowledge that this situation sucks. Fraud is never ok, but neither are threats of violence. My original point was and still is not to justify fraud, but to express sadness at the harmful lengths people will go to for their personal entertainment.
Pyxl101 8y ago
The maker of the game flat-out lied about what was in the game dozens of times. This isn't on consumers. It's one thing to say "my pizza is the best in the world", and another to make tons of specific, concrete claims that are _simply false_ about the game. If you're not sure what I mean, see this Reddit thread which catalogs numerous statements by Murray, with source video or text, that were unarguably false: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/4y1h9i/wheres_the_no_mans_sky_we_were_sold_on_a_big_list/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/4y1h9i/wheres_the_no... I don't own NMS and have never played it. I think outrage is acceptable when people engage in false statements that border on fraud.

EpicEng 8y ago

>I never said poor communication I know, but Sean did in the linked interview. >We’re not talking about salmonella lettuce or a blood test kit that doesn’t work or carcinogenic flame retardants here. This is a product of digital entertainment, with minuscule value to our overall society. What's your point? People shouldn't be pissed that he purposely lied about the game he was trying to sell us? Nothing really matters unless it's a life or death situation? >Nobody forced these people to pre-order the game or buy it on launch day. They went and bought it before the reviews came out. It is entirely on them as consumers for failing to execute due diligence. So it's the consumer's fault? Sure, I also check reviews first, but that's neither here nor there. HE BLATANTLY LIED. Why are you so eager to give him a pass on that? >So what if the creator lied through their teeth? Plenty of people enjoyed the game for what it was anyway. You're not a reasonable person.

wild_preference 8y ago

In your opinion, what’s the point at which “but there are worse things out there” stops making fraud permissible?

rm_-rf_slash 8y ago
I did acknowledge that this situation sucks. Fraud is never ok, but neither are threats of violence. My original point was and still is not to justify fraud, but to express sadness at the harmful lengths people will go to for their personal entertainment.

Pyxl101 8y ago

The maker of the game flat-out lied about what was in the game dozens of times. This isn't on consumers. It's one thing to say "my pizza is the best in the world", and another to make tons of specific, concrete claims that are _simply false_ about the game. If you're not sure what I mean, see this Reddit thread which catalogs numerous statements by Murray, with source video or text, that were unarguably false: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/4y1h9i/wheres_the_no_mans_sky_we_were_sold_on_a_big_list/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/4y1h9i/wheres_the_no... I don't own NMS and have never played it. I think outrage is acceptable when people engage in false statements that border on fraud.