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Apple fans returning new MacBook Pros with Core i9

98 points by dhd415 8y ago

AndersSandvik 8y ago
Lol, AMP showing a google.com domain. Why are sites opting to send traffic through Google?
- sgarrity 8y ago
  A Google-AMP version of a story published on Yahoo Finance syndicated from Business Insider. What a time to be alive!
  - mortenjorck 8y ago
    A Google-AMP version of a story published on Yahoo Finance syndicated from Business Insider about a Reddit thread, no less. Turtles all the way down.
    - penagwin 8y ago
      A Hacker News post about a Google-AMP version of a story published on Yahoo Finance syndicated from Business Insider about a Reddit thread. There are a lot of turtles!
- bufferoverflow 8y ago
  It's like a free CDN. /s
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
newscracker 8y ago
Meta: Can the link be changed? The one right now is: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macbook-pros-154205304.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/n... It looks like a (AMP) copy of a (AMP) copy of a web page. Just https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macbook-pros-154205304.html https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/apple-fans-return... or https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macbook-pros-154205304.html https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macb... would work.
- tjoff 8y ago
  Yahoo uses oath and doesn't adhere to GDPR. The HN link does, though I dislike AMP anything is better than oath.
- sctb 8y ago
  Updated (from https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macbook-pros-154205304.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/n...). Thanks!
394549 8y ago
What's up with Apple? Seems to me like they should have just dropped the i9 option altogether, since they couldn't make it work. It just further torpedoes their fading reputation for being able to build top-notch hardware.
- amrrs 8y ago
  I think the comment that they can't build top-notch hardware isn't entirely true. Airpods really made an impression. We also need to count the fact that the entire PC laptop market is in some kind of limbo. Few tried touch and then hybrid then detachable. At least Apple is still kicking in the game I'd say.
  - williamdclt 8y ago
    I might miss something, but what's so great about the airpods? Mediocre sound quality (literally my 8 bucks earpods have a better sound) and leaking so much sound it's obnoxious (if you're disturbed by music in the subway, look around: it's probably someone with Apple earplugs). I don't think they were the first to make bluetooth earplugs? Is it the miniaturisation? The touch-sensitive thing?
    - aksss 8y ago
      They look incredibly stupid as well. Style fail.
      - raverbashing 8y ago
        To me that's the biggest factor. Makes people look a lot more pretentious, in my opinion
    - rusk 8y ago
      The fact that they make you look like an ignoramous?
    - philjohn 8y ago
      Yeah, your 8 buck earpods in no way sound better, quit with the hyperbole. Maybe they sound better to you. Yep, they may not have been the first, but once again, they come in and have a bunch of refinements that just make them stand out. I've had bluetooth headphones before, and from pairing to loss of sync when moving more than a couple of metres away, AirPods beat them hands down.
greglindahl 8y ago
Discussion on a similar article from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17567729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17567729
wilsonnb2 8y ago
Headline: "Apple fans are returning their new MacBook Pros that cost a minimum of $2,800 because they can't reach the advertised speeds" Actual data: two Reddit comments that say they're going to return their MacBooks What's wrong with the headline "Youtuber finds New MacBook Pros Not Performing as Advertised" or "Youtuber finds Cooling Issues with High Performance MacBook"? It's basically useless to read headlines from most online news sources these days.
- close04 8y ago
  A few big-name tech websites already confirmed they are investigating the claims and will publish their findings. So we should have some (mostly) impartial conclusions on the topic soon-ish.
- conatus 8y ago
  The whole piece does have a general hot air feeling to it...
  - deleted 8y ago
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  - sixothree 8y ago
    Something these macbooks produce a distinct lack of..?
- mcountryman 8y ago
  From 200+ comments "cancel" was listed 4 times in that reddit thread and "return" was listed 5 times. Some repeats in there.
- nodesocket 8y ago
  We have seen this pattern over and over again. Remember Apple's Q2, where nearly all analyst were negative. Outrage and pessimism were rampant on HN and Reddit. The vast minority complain the loudest while the vast majority go about their lives and work using Apple products.
jiveturkey 8y ago
i've decided to cancel my order (still 2 weeks out) and instead get the i7. so now you have 3 data points.
bluedino 8y ago
It's not the CPU - it's the combination of the GPU and CPU. The CPU only benchmarks run without throttling https://www.geekbench.com/blog/2018/07/macbook-pro-mid-2018-throttling/ https://www.geekbench.com/blog/2018/07/macbook-pro-mid-2018-...
- tjoff 8y ago
  He tested the i7, not sure if that is comparable.
- valarauca1 8y ago
  Geekbenchmark runs it tests in bursts with short delays between them to allow for the SoC to dissipate heat. They implemented that so laptops and cellphones wouldn't overheat, or thermally throttle while running the benchmark. https://www.xda-developers.com/geekbench-ceo-fireside-chat-pt-1-64-bit-mobile-throttling-scores-design-a-benchmark-and-more/ https://www.xda-developers.com/geekbench-ceo-fireside-chat-p... I get that Geekbenchmark is extremely accessible, but it is not rigorous. Citing a benchmark that's designed to avoid thermal issues, as proof a chip doesn't have thermal issues is just bad.
  - dullin 8y ago
    The article in question above is from the geekbench team compiling their geekbench suite over and over to force the overheating issue. The blog post is not about benchmarking with geekbench at all. John Poole found that using only CPU bounds tasks (compiling) wasn't that bad for the thermals.
- karanlyons 8y ago
  My tests do not show this, but show that putting the CPU under load alone is enough to get rather disheartening results: https://imgur.com/a/ehtleu4 https://imgur.com/a/ehtleu4
aksss 8y ago
They could just rebrand it as a powerful tool designed for arctic climate research.
ricardobeat 8y ago
Why is the Aero 15x so much faster? It seems to be an i7 with a slower SSD.
- JudasGoat 8y ago
  The specs show it available up to gtx1070 maxq which sounds pretty powerful for 15".
- aparashk 8y ago
  Aero 15x runs Windows, and the Windows version of the software is much better optimised. The software load is quite different, which is misleading.
limonkufu 8y ago
Surely, Apple saw these issues in their internal tests. I don't understand how Apple (or any other company that does something similar to this) decides to release the product knowing all of the issues beforehand.

98 points by dhd415 8y ago

AndersSandvik 8y ago

Lol, AMP showing a google.com domain. Why are sites opting to send traffic through Google?

sgarrity 8y ago
A Google-AMP version of a story published on Yahoo Finance syndicated from Business Insider. What a time to be alive!
- mortenjorck 8y ago
  A Google-AMP version of a story published on Yahoo Finance syndicated from Business Insider about a Reddit thread, no less. Turtles all the way down.
  - penagwin 8y ago
    A Hacker News post about a Google-AMP version of a story published on Yahoo Finance syndicated from Business Insider about a Reddit thread. There are a lot of turtles!
bufferoverflow 8y ago
It's like a free CDN. /s
deleted 8y ago
[deleted]

newscracker 8y ago

Meta: Can the link be changed? The one right now is: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macbook-pros-154205304.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/n... It looks like a (AMP) copy of a (AMP) copy of a web page. Just https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macbook-pros-154205304.html https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/apple-fans-return... or https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macbook-pros-154205304.html https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macb... would work.

tjoff 8y ago
Yahoo uses oath and doesn't adhere to GDPR. The HN link does, though I dislike AMP anything is better than oath.
sctb 8y ago
Updated (from https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/apple-fans-returning-macbook-pros-154205304.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/n...). Thanks!

394549 8y ago

What's up with Apple? Seems to me like they should have just dropped the i9 option altogether, since they couldn't make it work. It just further torpedoes their fading reputation for being able to build top-notch hardware.

amrrs 8y ago
I think the comment that they can't build top-notch hardware isn't entirely true. Airpods really made an impression. We also need to count the fact that the entire PC laptop market is in some kind of limbo. Few tried touch and then hybrid then detachable. At least Apple is still kicking in the game I'd say.
- williamdclt 8y ago
  I might miss something, but what's so great about the airpods? Mediocre sound quality (literally my 8 bucks earpods have a better sound) and leaking so much sound it's obnoxious (if you're disturbed by music in the subway, look around: it's probably someone with Apple earplugs). I don't think they were the first to make bluetooth earplugs? Is it the miniaturisation? The touch-sensitive thing?
  - aksss 8y ago
    They look incredibly stupid as well. Style fail.
    - raverbashing 8y ago
      To me that's the biggest factor. Makes people look a lot more pretentious, in my opinion
  - rusk 8y ago
    The fact that they make you look like an ignoramous?
  - philjohn 8y ago
    Yeah, your 8 buck earpods in no way sound better, quit with the hyperbole. Maybe they sound better to you. Yep, they may not have been the first, but once again, they come in and have a bunch of refinements that just make them stand out. I've had bluetooth headphones before, and from pairing to loss of sync when moving more than a couple of metres away, AirPods beat them hands down.

greglindahl 8y ago

Discussion on a similar article from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17567729 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17567729

wilsonnb2 8y ago

Headline: "Apple fans are returning their new MacBook Pros that cost a minimum of $2,800 because they can't reach the advertised speeds" Actual data: two Reddit comments that say they're going to return their MacBooks What's wrong with the headline "Youtuber finds New MacBook Pros Not Performing as Advertised" or "Youtuber finds Cooling Issues with High Performance MacBook"? It's basically useless to read headlines from most online news sources these days.

close04 8y ago
A few big-name tech websites already confirmed they are investigating the claims and will publish their findings. So we should have some (mostly) impartial conclusions on the topic soon-ish.
conatus 8y ago
The whole piece does have a general hot air feeling to it...
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- sixothree 8y ago
  Something these macbooks produce a distinct lack of..?
mcountryman 8y ago
From 200+ comments "cancel" was listed 4 times in that reddit thread and "return" was listed 5 times. Some repeats in there.
nodesocket 8y ago
We have seen this pattern over and over again. Remember Apple's Q2, where nearly all analyst were negative. Outrage and pessimism were rampant on HN and Reddit. The vast minority complain the loudest while the vast majority go about their lives and work using Apple products.

jiveturkey 8y ago

i've decided to cancel my order (still 2 weeks out) and instead get the i7. so now you have 3 data points.

bluedino 8y ago

It's not the CPU - it's the combination of the GPU and CPU. The CPU only benchmarks run without throttling https://www.geekbench.com/blog/2018/07/macbook-pro-mid-2018-throttling/ https://www.geekbench.com/blog/2018/07/macbook-pro-mid-2018-...

tjoff 8y ago
He tested the i7, not sure if that is comparable.
valarauca1 8y ago
Geekbenchmark runs it tests in bursts with short delays between them to allow for the SoC to dissipate heat. They implemented that so laptops and cellphones wouldn't overheat, or thermally throttle while running the benchmark. https://www.xda-developers.com/geekbench-ceo-fireside-chat-pt-1-64-bit-mobile-throttling-scores-design-a-benchmark-and-more/ https://www.xda-developers.com/geekbench-ceo-fireside-chat-p... I get that Geekbenchmark is extremely accessible, but it is not rigorous. Citing a benchmark that's designed to avoid thermal issues, as proof a chip doesn't have thermal issues is just bad.
- dullin 8y ago
  The article in question above is from the geekbench team compiling their geekbench suite over and over to force the overheating issue. The blog post is not about benchmarking with geekbench at all. John Poole found that using only CPU bounds tasks (compiling) wasn't that bad for the thermals.
karanlyons 8y ago
My tests do not show this, but show that putting the CPU under load alone is enough to get rather disheartening results: https://imgur.com/a/ehtleu4 https://imgur.com/a/ehtleu4

aksss 8y ago

They could just rebrand it as a powerful tool designed for arctic climate research.

ricardobeat 8y ago

Why is the Aero 15x so much faster? It seems to be an i7 with a slower SSD.

JudasGoat 8y ago
The specs show it available up to gtx1070 maxq which sounds pretty powerful for 15".
aparashk 8y ago
Aero 15x runs Windows, and the Windows version of the software is much better optimised. The software load is quite different, which is misleading.

limonkufu 8y ago

Surely, Apple saw these issues in their internal tests. I don't understand how Apple (or any other company that does something similar to this) decides to release the product knowing all of the issues beforehand.