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Are you implying this somehow makes it ok?

red_admiral 8y ago
No - what part of my post are you interpreting like that? I'm happy to edit if I'm giving the wrong impression. I just want to know how worried I need to be about my own gaming PC at the moment.
- durzagott 8y ago
  "Apart from this, red shell does NOT modify your browser settings, inject code into all pages you visit, add a browser toolbar, constantly run in the background, MITM your TLS or anything else like that." This is the part that made me think you were defending it. My apologies for misunderstanding.
- ekianjo 8y ago
  > I just want to know how worried I need to be about my own gaming PC at the moment. Not sure if you play on Linux at all, but a good way to start is to run Steam in firejail. It isolates that environment from the rest of the OS. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firejail https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firejail
  - ac29 8y ago
    Be careful with firejail, it comes with its own security implications, and has bad a history of pretty nasty exploits: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/79mmzk/sandbox_your_applications_with_firejail/dp37pga https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/79mmzk/sandbox_your_...
Jommi 8y ago
Isn't this just beneficial for everyone? Why wouldn't it be okay?
- probably_wrong 8y ago
  It is detrimental to the privacy of the players. That makes it not okay.
  - Jommi 8y ago
    So where do we draw the line? Is all analytics without permission not okay?
    - probably_wrong 8y ago
      If you live in Europe, the answer seems to be "indeed, all analytics without permission are not okay". If you live in the US, it seems to be "whatever you can get away with". Gamers seem to agree that this company should not get away with this. Wherever "we" have drawn the line, Red Shell has apparently crossed it.
- IGI-111 8y ago
  Pretty sure spying on people who just want to play a video game without telling them or letting them opt out ahead of time is not only a bit immoral but also very much illegal, at least in Europe. I doubt the form they have on their website where you have to know your id to opt out of the spying would hold up in court.
  - pndy 8y ago
    And that's probably why they gladly removed that piece of software - they would risk being fined in long term in Europe, I believe. Opt-out as someone already noted, is available on red shell company site but I would try to block it in hosts instead of going on site where you can be again tracked. In a nearly ideal world, Firaxis would ask their customers if they agree for this e-life "improvement" of more accurate ads and whatnot else. In a perfect one, they wouldn't bother including Red Shell at all.
    - Jommi 8y ago

No - what part of my post are you interpreting like that? I'm happy to edit if I'm giving the wrong impression. I just want to know how worried I need to be about my own gaming PC at the moment.

durzagott 8y ago
"Apart from this, red shell does NOT modify your browser settings, inject code into all pages you visit, add a browser toolbar, constantly run in the background, MITM your TLS or anything else like that." This is the part that made me think you were defending it. My apologies for misunderstanding.
ekianjo 8y ago
> I just want to know how worried I need to be about my own gaming PC at the moment. Not sure if you play on Linux at all, but a good way to start is to run Steam in firejail. It isolates that environment from the rest of the OS. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firejail https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firejail
- ac29 8y ago
  Be careful with firejail, it comes with its own security implications, and has bad a history of pretty nasty exploits: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/79mmzk/sandbox_your_applications_with_firejail/dp37pga https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/79mmzk/sandbox_your_...

Jommi 8y ago

Isn't this just beneficial for everyone? Why wouldn't it be okay?

probably_wrong 8y ago
It is detrimental to the privacy of the players. That makes it not okay.
- Jommi 8y ago
  So where do we draw the line? Is all analytics without permission not okay?
  - probably_wrong 8y ago
    If you live in Europe, the answer seems to be "indeed, all analytics without permission are not okay". If you live in the US, it seems to be "whatever you can get away with". Gamers seem to agree that this company should not get away with this. Wherever "we" have drawn the line, Red Shell has apparently crossed it.
IGI-111 8y ago
Pretty sure spying on people who just want to play a video game without telling them or letting them opt out ahead of time is not only a bit immoral but also very much illegal, at least in Europe. I doubt the form they have on their website where you have to know your id to opt out of the spying would hold up in court.
- pndy 8y ago
  And that's probably why they gladly removed that piece of software - they would risk being fined in long term in Europe, I believe. Opt-out as someone already noted, is available on red shell company site but I would try to block it in hosts instead of going on site where you can be again tracked. In a nearly ideal world, Firaxis would ask their customers if they agree for this e-life "improvement" of more accurate ads and whatnot else. In a perfect one, they wouldn't bother including Red Shell at all.
  - Jommi 8y ago