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I would argue the concepts of citizenship and passports, along with their Westphalian corollaries of national sovereignty and diplomacy, are a very modern idea
by bmmayer1 8y ago
I would argue the concepts of citizenship and passports, along with their Westphalian corollaries of national sovereignty and diplomacy, are a very modern idea that, for the most part, protects people inside of nations from violence, and gives them the stability they need to live and thrive. The whole notion of 'freedom' requires a degree of police protection which doesn't exist, for the time being, without clearly defined national boundaries.
The hypothetical you describe, of free-moving people and nations, was the reality for most of human history. This was the era of marauding bands, violent nomadic tribes which pillaged, burned, murdered and raped, not to mention famine and other constant disruptions to daily life. On your way to the French forest you would be murdered by a highwayman.
It would certainly be ideal if all nations of the world were available to choose from for all people in a sort of geopolitical marketplace, but that would of course require all nations of the world to have identical values which allowed for the sort of cultural and racial mixing which would surely follow, and I think you'd struggle to find any country that's 100% OK with that.
- eternalban 8y ago> Westphalian corollaries of national sovereignty and diplomacy You do realize that long before Europe was 'civilized' other peoples had nations and exchanged diplomats? https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09592290108406186?journalCode=fdps20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0959229010840618... If we were conversing in the 19th century one could excuse this sort of willful Euro-centric ignorance, but it is now well into the 21st century and information is freely available. I guess one can file this under the 'When Rome Ruled the Known World' category. Hint: What stopped that expansionist power from moving East towards Euphrates and firmly lodged to the periphery of Mediterranean?]
- bmmayer1 8y agoObviously diplomatic immunity, national borders and such concepts predate Westphalia. But the Westphalian model is the model on which the modern world is built for better or for worse. That's not really a disputed fact.