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I'm curious as to why you'd want to move away from Pycharm?

by raeven 8y ago

cdancette 8y ago
Not parent but for me two main reasons would be : free, lighter / faster.
- sandGorgon 8y ago
  yes - vscode is far far lighter. The autocompletion,etc is not as good as pycharm...but stuff like this language server will accelerate the progress there. also pandas/numpy - vscode is not super great in debugging today, but the performance makes up for it.
- occams_chainsaw 8y ago
  Pycharm is free
  - brettcannon 8y ago
    The community edition is free, the professional edition is not: https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/editions_comparis...
    - occams_chainsaw 8y ago
      The pro edition doesn't really have anything you'd otherwise get from VScode, and even then it's still free with an @edu email, or for OSS projects, or whatever other exceptions they have, so it's basically free
- spapas82 8y ago
  For me both code and pycharm are way too heavy for my celeron work-provided pc. I am really happy with gvim and notepad++.
- dotancohen 8y ago
  Though PyCharm is a Java application, in my experience it is very well behaved. Not the typical Java resource hog. Contrast with VSCode, written in Electron. I will admit that VSCode is one of the better Electron apps in regards to keeping the UI snappy, but it still hogs literary GBs of RAM without even having any files open (CentOS desktop). It will consume a full CPU core just sitting there if it is not minimized, I'm told that this is to blink the cursor. VSCode is decent if it is the only app you have open, but it is just too resource intensive in real world computing.
  - sandGorgon 8y ago
    actually your info is very very dated. this was an issue long ago. FYI - I'm based out of India and a lot of interns,etc here can only afford AMD laptops with 4 GB of RAM and HDD. we are not even close to macbook territory here. We actually moved these kids to vscode first. And then we realized how good vscode's performance really was.
specialist 8y ago
I'd guess mindshare, ecosystem. Creating add-ons for VS Code is a cake walk. I've attempted plugins for both Eclipse and IntelliJ. Multiple times. Defeat. I'm just not smart or stubborn enough to make something shippable. No one hates JavaScript more than me (day gig is all nodejs). And I'm surprised to hear myself say that VS Code's superior design far outweighs the liability of using JavaScript. Especially the Language Server Protocol, which is a game changer. I'll probably let my IntelliJ Ultimate subscription expire this year. Too bad. I really like Jetbrains.
- mdaniel 8y ago
  > I've attempted plugins for both Eclipse and IntelliJ. Multiple times. Defeat. Can you help us understand what you were trying to make, and the ways in which you experienced "defeat"?
  - specialist 8y ago
    I've tried to create a plugin for my ANTLR4 grammar. Most recently, I started with [https://github.com/antlr/jetbrains-plugin-sample https://github.com/antlr/jetbrains-plugin-sample]. I just can't wrap my head around maintaining parallel trees, syncing their state, how everything's connected. So then I looked at MPS again. Maybe reimplement my grammar with MPS et al. Worked thru the tutorials. Again, I just can't figure out which way is up. I recently watched an interview with Anders Hejlsberg about Roslyn and Language Server Protocol, where they decoupled the IDE from the compiler. Eureka. Makes perfect sense. In practice, it's a (comparative) cake walk.

I'm curious as to why you'd want to move away from Pycharm?

by raeven 8y ago

I'm curious as to why you'd want to move away from Pycharm?

cdancette 8y ago

Not parent but for me two main reasons would be : free, lighter / faster.

sandGorgon 8y ago
yes - vscode is far far lighter. The autocompletion,etc is not as good as pycharm...but stuff like this language server will accelerate the progress there. also pandas/numpy - vscode is not super great in debugging today, but the performance makes up for it.
occams_chainsaw 8y ago
Pycharm is free
- brettcannon 8y ago
  The community edition is free, the professional edition is not: https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/editions_comparis...
  - occams_chainsaw 8y ago
    The pro edition doesn't really have anything you'd otherwise get from VScode, and even then it's still free with an @edu email, or for OSS projects, or whatever other exceptions they have, so it's basically free
spapas82 8y ago
For me both code and pycharm are way too heavy for my celeron work-provided pc. I am really happy with gvim and notepad++.
dotancohen 8y ago
Though PyCharm is a Java application, in my experience it is very well behaved. Not the typical Java resource hog. Contrast with VSCode, written in Electron. I will admit that VSCode is one of the better Electron apps in regards to keeping the UI snappy, but it still hogs literary GBs of RAM without even having any files open (CentOS desktop). It will consume a full CPU core just sitting there if it is not minimized, I'm told that this is to blink the cursor. VSCode is decent if it is the only app you have open, but it is just too resource intensive in real world computing.
- sandGorgon 8y ago
  actually your info is very very dated. this was an issue long ago. FYI - I'm based out of India and a lot of interns,etc here can only afford AMD laptops with 4 GB of RAM and HDD. we are not even close to macbook territory here. We actually moved these kids to vscode first. And then we realized how good vscode's performance really was.

specialist 8y ago

I'd guess mindshare, ecosystem. Creating add-ons for VS Code is a cake walk. I've attempted plugins for both Eclipse and IntelliJ. Multiple times. Defeat. I'm just not smart or stubborn enough to make something shippable. No one hates JavaScript more than me (day gig is all nodejs). And I'm surprised to hear myself say that VS Code's superior design far outweighs the liability of using JavaScript. Especially the Language Server Protocol, which is a game changer. I'll probably let my IntelliJ Ultimate subscription expire this year. Too bad. I really like Jetbrains.

mdaniel 8y ago
> I've attempted plugins for both Eclipse and IntelliJ. Multiple times. Defeat. Can you help us understand what you were trying to make, and the ways in which you experienced "defeat"?
- specialist 8y ago
  I've tried to create a plugin for my ANTLR4 grammar. Most recently, I started with [https://github.com/antlr/jetbrains-plugin-sample https://github.com/antlr/jetbrains-plugin-sample]. I just can't wrap my head around maintaining parallel trees, syncing their state, how everything's connected. So then I looked at MPS again. Maybe reimplement my grammar with MPS et al. Worked thru the tutorials. Again, I just can't figure out which way is up. I recently watched an interview with Anders Hejlsberg about Roslyn and Language Server Protocol, where they decoupled the IDE from the compiler. Eureka. Makes perfect sense. In practice, it's a (comparative) cake walk.