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There are major propaganda efforts in motion by dictators and wannabe dictators to discredit genuine journalism, yet American journalists routinely lose their j

There are major propaganda efforts in motion by dictators and wannabe dictators to discredit genuine journalism, yet American journalists routinely lose their jobs or face extreme demotions if they're caught fabricating. I would state forthrightly that the news pages of the major American and European papers are trustworthy. Do you have evidence of fabrications that have gone unpunished?

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miracle2k 8y ago
That isn't really the way to think about it. Both bias and laziness affect what is written about, which pieces of information are selected, how well something is researched, and what kind of idea is forming in the reader's mind. State television in countries you would call dictatorships don't necessarily just make up stuff either, nor do they need to.
- saturdaysaint 8y ago
  If there is "a way" to think about something, it sounds to me like there's some kind of curious orthodoxy at work. Where does this frame of understanding journalism as inescapably flawed because of biases come from? Is there a literature or is this just, like, a talk radio line?
- throwaway5752 8y ago
  It seems like, when pressed for specific examples, that your response is a bit lazy. I see career ending consequences over basic, minor mistakes in the mainstream news industry in the US. I say mainstream, because of specific examples like Hannity/Seth Rich which was based on sourced on baseless conspiracy theories (and never had a retraction or consequences). But https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalists-resign-after-retracted-story-on-trump-ally.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalist..., Brian Williams, or Jemele Hill all come to mind. I wasn't able to find conservative media examples, but if you are able to provide some that would help.
naruvimama 8y ago
Perhaps, but how would you ever know if the govt controls the entire narrative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence, the amount collected by western countries are significantly more than what is needed for basic services. Could a TV license be even justified in the internet age. The best reason I can come up with is that the govts are worried about loosing control over the narrative.

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miracle2k 8y ago

That isn't really the way to think about it. Both bias and laziness affect what is written about, which pieces of information are selected, how well something is researched, and what kind of idea is forming in the reader's mind. State television in countries you would call dictatorships don't necessarily just make up stuff either, nor do they need to.

saturdaysaint 8y ago
If there is "a way" to think about something, it sounds to me like there's some kind of curious orthodoxy at work. Where does this frame of understanding journalism as inescapably flawed because of biases come from? Is there a literature or is this just, like, a talk radio line?
throwaway5752 8y ago
It seems like, when pressed for specific examples, that your response is a bit lazy. I see career ending consequences over basic, minor mistakes in the mainstream news industry in the US. I say mainstream, because of specific examples like Hannity/Seth Rich which was based on sourced on baseless conspiracy theories (and never had a retraction or consequences). But https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalists-resign-after-retracted-story-on-trump-ally.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalist..., Brian Williams, or Jemele Hill all come to mind. I wasn't able to find conservative media examples, but if you are able to provide some that would help.

naruvimama 8y ago

Perhaps, but how would you ever know if the govt controls the entire narrative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence, the amount collected by western countries are significantly more than what is needed for basic services. Could a TV license be even justified in the internet age. The best reason I can come up with is that the govts are worried about loosing control over the narrative.