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Hopefully the investigation has something more robust. That's quite unlikely, because of exactly what you pointed out. The reality is that this case could not
by downandout 8y ago
Hopefully the investigation has something more robust.
That's quite unlikely, because of exactly what you pointed out. The reality is that this case could not and was not meant to be able to stand up to the rigors of a federal prosecution with good defense attorneys in a US court. People that could not be arrested or extradited were indicted for a reason - Mueller knew this case would never actually be litigated. This was Mueller's ham sandwich indictment for the day [1].
This indictment was meant for Mueller to justify his existence and the expenses that we, the taxpayers, have incurred on this investigation. He got a PR win that satisfied the media's need for headlines about Russian involvement in the election by putting together some broad strokes, knowing that he'd never have to actually prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
[1] https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/indict_a_ham_sandwich/ https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/ind...
- civilitty 8y ago> People that could not be arrested or extradited were indicted for a reason - Mueller knew this case would never actually be litigated. https://i.imgur.com/8BaL1w9_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium https://i.imgur.com/8BaL1w9_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&f... Guilty: https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/05/22/ap_17032690517092-9da0becffa9dca64a7cc1cb6143a861de1cc1672-s800-c85.jpg https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/05/22/ap_1703269051709... Guilty: https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2018/02/19/BostonGlobe.com/Metro/Images/5cf702d117174b4aa5cba84803c0e4cd-5cf702d117174b4aa5cba84803c0e4cd-0.jpg https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2018/02/19... Guilty: https://i0.wp.com/www.nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/new-york-times-trump-russia-collusion-narrative-reset-george-papadopoulos-carter-page-1.jpg?fit=789%2C460&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/www.nationalreview.com/wp-content/uploads/... Guilty: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/02/21/us/21meuller_dc/21meuller_dc-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/02/21/us/21meuller_dc/2...
- downandout 8y agoThose are random pictures of people not in this indictment just FYI. Your comment is completely off topic.
- civilitty 8y agoIndicted. You know, the first step before someone can get convicted?
- downandout 8y agoI know that Russia will never extradite them, and so does Mueller.
- civilitty 8y agoWell then, you should also know that these indictments were filed under oath by Mueller and his team, under the penalty of disbarment and literal criminal charges. You would also know that these indictments would be relevant to any future charges of conspiracy (the thing Trump is accused of) and would be open to challenge by any relevant defendant, regardless of whether they were Russian or not, right? You see, that's how a system based on law and order works. Oh and did I mention, Mueller and the vast majority of his team are career Republicans, were appointed by Republicans, and gave up multi-million dollar a year jobs to do this? You know, the DEEP STATE.
- downandout 8y agoWell then, you should also know that these indictments were filed under oath by Mueller and his team, under the penalty of disbarment and literal criminal charges They didn't lie, they don't have to. Everything in this indictment may be what they believe happened. But these are broad strokes. It looks like any of these allegations would be difficult or impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Grand juries indict based on probable cause, which an entirely different (and far lower) standard. They have probable cause if a credible witness, such as an FBI agent, simply tells them that they believe something happened.