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I do have a right to treat people however I please, and they have the right to choose not to interact with me. If I want to make myself a pariah, by whatever me

I do have a right to treat people however I please, and they have the right to choose not to interact with me. If I want to make myself a pariah, by whatever means, then I damn well have the right to do so. And if by insisting to be referred to as a man, someone else makes themselves a pariah, that was also their choice. Live and let live, I say, but that does not mean you should acquiesce just because someone feels their views are right (i.e., agree with you, heh, what makes your views any more right than mine, or the people who upvoted me?). Just because something is important to someone else doesn't mean I have to give a fuck about it. For example, I am not going to be a vegan just because other people think it's bad to eat meat. Also, calling me an ass really strengthened your argument. Kudos.

TGJ 16y ago
That is the whole crux of it for me. I don't have any ill intent towards this person and wish none upon them. I simply do not agree with the choice and therefore will not participate in it by referring to them how they wish.
- lwhi 16y ago
  I can imagine that many people have uttered the very same sentiment in relation to black people and the n-word. At the end of the day, we all deserve to be able to be referred to in whichever way we choose. It's about mutual respect, and I'm shocked that this kind of view is prevalent in 2010.
  - TGJ 16y ago
    It will be prevalent long into the future, don't kid yourself. Opposing view points on all subjects will always exist and these arguments will always happen. Instead, you should be shocked when violence or vulgar language is still being used to exert opinion dominance.
    - lwhi 16y ago
      The fact that many people might share your desire and tendancy to disrespect others doesn't mean that I should accept your nonsensical, prejudiced arguments as a necessary fact. The base argument that you are using is the same that has been used to validate the chastisement of many minority groups .. in fact all minority groups have campaigned for the right to be referred to using terms that offer respect. Making a 'stand' and arguing for the right to disrespect someone is far more dangerous than vulgar language will ever be - and I'd also argue that it's more disruptive than violence, as it has an effect which is longer lasting and is more likely to prevent lasting positive change.
      - TGJ 16y ago
        Is the other person not disrespecting me when they ask me to refer or participate in their choices that I might not agree with? Why is it that when someone deviates from the norm, everyone else has to respect them while they do it?
        lwhi 16y ago
        Because sometimes the norm is unjust.
lwhi 16y ago
"Just because something is important to someone else doesn't mean I have to give a fuck about it. For example, I am not going to be a vegan just because other people think it's bad to eat meat." You're not being asked to do anything other than offer respect to a fellow human being. You're certainly not being asked to change your eating habits. No one is choosing to make themselves a pariah. In fact it's your insistence on singling out a transgendered person as 'other' which is creating outcast status. The fact that so many people upvoted your comment, made me feel that expressing a response was all the more needed. What you're choosing to do, is belittle someone's right to express themselves in an honest manner. The fact that you choose to do so with so much vitriol and lack of empathy, only confirms I chose the correct term to identify you with.

TGJ 16y ago

That is the whole crux of it for me. I don't have any ill intent towards this person and wish none upon them. I simply do not agree with the choice and therefore will not participate in it by referring to them how they wish.

lwhi 16y ago
I can imagine that many people have uttered the very same sentiment in relation to black people and the n-word. At the end of the day, we all deserve to be able to be referred to in whichever way we choose. It's about mutual respect, and I'm shocked that this kind of view is prevalent in 2010.
- TGJ 16y ago
  It will be prevalent long into the future, don't kid yourself. Opposing view points on all subjects will always exist and these arguments will always happen. Instead, you should be shocked when violence or vulgar language is still being used to exert opinion dominance.
  - lwhi 16y ago
    The fact that many people might share your desire and tendancy to disrespect others doesn't mean that I should accept your nonsensical, prejudiced arguments as a necessary fact. The base argument that you are using is the same that has been used to validate the chastisement of many minority groups .. in fact all minority groups have campaigned for the right to be referred to using terms that offer respect. Making a 'stand' and arguing for the right to disrespect someone is far more dangerous than vulgar language will ever be - and I'd also argue that it's more disruptive than violence, as it has an effect which is longer lasting and is more likely to prevent lasting positive change.
    - TGJ 16y ago
      Is the other person not disrespecting me when they ask me to refer or participate in their choices that I might not agree with? Why is it that when someone deviates from the norm, everyone else has to respect them while they do it?
      - lwhi 16y ago
        Because sometimes the norm is unjust.

lwhi 16y ago

"Just because something is important to someone else doesn't mean I have to give a fuck about it. For example, I am not going to be a vegan just because other people think it's bad to eat meat." You're not being asked to do anything other than offer respect to a fellow human being. You're certainly not being asked to change your eating habits. No one is choosing to make themselves a pariah. In fact it's your insistence on singling out a transgendered person as 'other' which is creating outcast status. The fact that so many people upvoted your comment, made me feel that expressing a response was all the more needed. What you're choosing to do, is belittle someone's right to express themselves in an honest manner. The fact that you choose to do so with so much vitriol and lack of empathy, only confirms I chose the correct term to identify you with.