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Fresh. Love how this 1 short simple page brings together so much of what defines modern Microsoft. Got me interested! I'm a designer who codes, a coder who wri

by m52go 8y ago

Fresh. Love how this 1 short simple page brings together so much of what defines modern Microsoft. Got me interested! I'm a designer who codes, a coder who writes, and a writer who designs. Will send something soon...

some_account 8y ago
Modern Microsoft... God you guys are falling so much for PR it's not even funny. It's the same company with another coat of paint, designed to get you to react exactly how you are reacting now. And you don't even realize.
- Qworg 8y ago
  "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to." Why can't people be excited by something from Microsoft?
  - merinowool 8y ago
    Because they have not changed.
    - chrisco255 8y ago
      Uhhh, they've changed a lot. They actively support competing platforms, releasing products for Android, iOS, Mac OS and Linux. They support Ubuntu on Windows in terminal, they regularly contribute to open source from React Native to Electron. Edge is a huge improvement over IE and it fully embraces web standards. Microsoft has even merged their web docs with Mozilla. They support .NET on all platforms.
      - executesorder66 8y ago
        Let me know if they ever release Windows, Office or NTFS(drivers) for Linux. Only then will I admit that they have actually changed. The rest is just a trap to get developers back on their platform.
        oblio 8y ago
        If they do what Apple is doing, is that good enough for you?
        executesorder66 8y ago
        That depends on what you mean by "what Apple is doing". I'm not a fan of Apple either, but at least they are not hypocrites. If MS stopped pretending that they <3 Linux. (see my other comments) And if they stopped pretending that they are this new friendly open company. Forcing upgrades to win10 and forced telemetry that is a pain in the ass to turn of permanently, is not at all open or user friendly. What a privacy nightmare. If they did just that, then at least I wouldn't hate them for being such hypocritical assholes. They'd just be a company whose products I don't like.
        gurkendoktor 8y ago
        Exactly. Everything that "new Microsoft" does right is targeted squarely at developers. I'll judge Microsoft by how it treats the rest of the world: dark patterns to accelerate Windows 10 adoption, using consumers as beta testers, protecting their Office monopoly above all else.
        chrisco255 8y ago
        It's mainly only developers that use Linux. Using consumers as beta testers? Who doesn't do that or something to that effect these days? "Move fast and break things" ship fast, get feedback, and iterate, etc. These are all mantras of agile, startup culture. Meanwhile, I'm not sure I see this with their latest products at all.
        gurkendoktor 8y ago
        I think there's a difference between shipping untested changes on an ad-backed cat picture web app, and selling a $99+ operating system that is essentially a beta version: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2878026/microsoft-to-business-dont-worry-about-windows-10-consumers-will-test-it.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2878026/microsoft-to-b... I thought that this article was overly pessimistic until Microsoft's rings of "insiders" didn't catch the fact that the Windows 1803 update broke machines with pretty common Intel and Toshiba SSDs. All of this wouldn't bother me at all if it weren't for the MS Office monopoly that forced everyone from schoolchildren to public servants to deal with this crap. I want nothing to do with keeping this business running.
      - merinowool 8y ago
        They have changed for worst. When I upgraded my PC recently my retail Windows deactivated and it took me few days of talking to "support" to re-activate it. They were treating me like a potential thief and I had to even show them invoices that I have indeed purchased new motherboard. Another one - I purchased Visual Studio 2015 just before they released 2017. They didn't want to give me a refund nor upgrade deal. Oh and you cannot turn off spying in their Windows 10.
      - vetinari 8y ago
        They have spend decades indoctrinating their users, that command line is baaad... and now it is a good thing, that they support linux binaries in windows command line? I will believe they changed, when they release their crown jewels (especially Office) for Linux as a first-class release (i.e. not ala IE for Solaris or WMP for HPUX).
    - eklavyaa 8y ago
      they have definitely changed, they have re-aligned themselves with what matter today. There earnings has just surpassed $100 billions which is the direct effect of their re prioritizing the product lines and philosophy. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/19/microsoft-earnings-cloud-services-revenue https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/19/microsoft...
      - baybal2 8y ago
        Going IBM? If so, yes
  - executesorder66 8y ago
    Because they keep churning out garbage. And the only "good" stuff they do make, they don't open source, or even release it on multiple platforms. Not to mention the fact that they are extremely user hostile. Putting ads in a paid for OS? And mining private data. If their OS was free I'd at least say they had an excuse to do that.
    - arethuza 8y ago
      I don't see Google, Facebook or Apple open sourcing their core products?
      - executesorder66 8y ago
        They don't claim they love open source, or that they love Linux. But microsoft does. So by not open sourcing or releasing their main products on Linux, they are being hypocritical assholes who just want to look good.
    - giancarlostoro 8y ago
      > Because they keep churning out garbage. And the only "good" stuff they do make, they don't open source, or even release it on multiple platforms. .NET Core runs on Mac, Windows and Linux and is BSD licensed, and totally not all garbage (though I'm guessing you will disagree with me here with no backing facts because what defines garbage is mostly opinionated views). VS Code is the same scenario. Wow it astounds me the lack of understanding coming from you.
      - executesorder66 8y ago
        Yes I will concede that .net is not garbage. I have written code with it before and it's pretty average. It doesn't really give me anything that I can't do with Java or C++ (or other programming languages) So what I'm saying is that it doesn't really bring anything worthwhile to the table. VS Code. Yeah, I am not at all interested in an electron based code editor. And yet again, there is nothing new or novel here. There are dozens of other code editors that are free, cross platform, and very powerful. If they open sourced (or even released on multiple platforms) Visual Studio, then I'd take notice. Same for Office. > Wow it astounds me the lack of understanding coming from you. And I'm likewise astounded at all the people falling for microsoft's brainwashing PR bullshit.
  - megaman22 8y ago
    Because M$ killed my Pappy! https://www.hanselman.com/blog/MicrosoftKilledMyPappy.aspx https://www.hanselman.com/blog/MicrosoftKilledMyPappy.aspx
- gaius 8y ago
  Modern Microsoft... God you guys are falling so much for PR it's not even funny. Careful, you’ll end up like ESR
- pluma 8y ago
  Well, my country literally committed the original Holocaust yet you probably don't automatically assume I'm an anti-Semite because of my nationality (and if you balk that so much time has passed since the end of WW2, think about whether you would have been right to think me an anti-Semite if we were in the 1960s). Companies change. Especially large corporations that have always been fairly heterogeneous. Microsoft never cared about killing open source, Microsoft cared about improving its bottom line and killing open source was considered a necessity to accomplish that goal. That didn't work out and now they're doing things differently.

by m52go 8y ago

some_account 8y ago

Modern Microsoft... God you guys are falling so much for PR it's not even funny. It's the same company with another coat of paint, designed to get you to react exactly how you are reacting now. And you don't even realize.

Qworg 8y ago
"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to." Why can't people be excited by something from Microsoft?
- merinowool 8y ago
  Because they have not changed.
  - chrisco255 8y ago
    Uhhh, they've changed a lot. They actively support competing platforms, releasing products for Android, iOS, Mac OS and Linux. They support Ubuntu on Windows in terminal, they regularly contribute to open source from React Native to Electron. Edge is a huge improvement over IE and it fully embraces web standards. Microsoft has even merged their web docs with Mozilla. They support .NET on all platforms.
    - executesorder66 8y ago
      Let me know if they ever release Windows, Office or NTFS(drivers) for Linux. Only then will I admit that they have actually changed. The rest is just a trap to get developers back on their platform.
      - oblio 8y ago
        If they do what Apple is doing, is that good enough for you?
        executesorder66 8y ago
        That depends on what you mean by "what Apple is doing". I'm not a fan of Apple either, but at least they are not hypocrites. If MS stopped pretending that they <3 Linux. (see my other comments) And if they stopped pretending that they are this new friendly open company. Forcing upgrades to win10 and forced telemetry that is a pain in the ass to turn of permanently, is not at all open or user friendly. What a privacy nightmare. If they did just that, then at least I wouldn't hate them for being such hypocritical assholes. They'd just be a company whose products I don't like.
      - gurkendoktor 8y ago
        Exactly. Everything that "new Microsoft" does right is targeted squarely at developers. I'll judge Microsoft by how it treats the rest of the world: dark patterns to accelerate Windows 10 adoption, using consumers as beta testers, protecting their Office monopoly above all else.
        chrisco255 8y ago
        It's mainly only developers that use Linux. Using consumers as beta testers? Who doesn't do that or something to that effect these days? "Move fast and break things" ship fast, get feedback, and iterate, etc. These are all mantras of agile, startup culture. Meanwhile, I'm not sure I see this with their latest products at all.
        gurkendoktor 8y ago
        I think there's a difference between shipping untested changes on an ad-backed cat picture web app, and selling a $99+ operating system that is essentially a beta version: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2878026/microsoft-to-business-dont-worry-about-windows-10-consumers-will-test-it.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2878026/microsoft-to-b... I thought that this article was overly pessimistic until Microsoft's rings of "insiders" didn't catch the fact that the Windows 1803 update broke machines with pretty common Intel and Toshiba SSDs. All of this wouldn't bother me at all if it weren't for the MS Office monopoly that forced everyone from schoolchildren to public servants to deal with this crap. I want nothing to do with keeping this business running.
    - merinowool 8y ago
      They have changed for worst. When I upgraded my PC recently my retail Windows deactivated and it took me few days of talking to "support" to re-activate it. They were treating me like a potential thief and I had to even show them invoices that I have indeed purchased new motherboard. Another one - I purchased Visual Studio 2015 just before they released 2017. They didn't want to give me a refund nor upgrade deal. Oh and you cannot turn off spying in their Windows 10.
    - vetinari 8y ago
      They have spend decades indoctrinating their users, that command line is baaad... and now it is a good thing, that they support linux binaries in windows command line? I will believe they changed, when they release their crown jewels (especially Office) for Linux as a first-class release (i.e. not ala IE for Solaris or WMP for HPUX).
  - eklavyaa 8y ago
    they have definitely changed, they have re-aligned themselves with what matter today. There earnings has just surpassed $100 billions which is the direct effect of their re prioritizing the product lines and philosophy. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/19/microsoft-earnings-cloud-services-revenue https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/19/microsoft...
    - baybal2 8y ago
      Going IBM? If so, yes
- executesorder66 8y ago
  Because they keep churning out garbage. And the only "good" stuff they do make, they don't open source, or even release it on multiple platforms. Not to mention the fact that they are extremely user hostile. Putting ads in a paid for OS? And mining private data. If their OS was free I'd at least say they had an excuse to do that.
  - arethuza 8y ago
    I don't see Google, Facebook or Apple open sourcing their core products?
    - executesorder66 8y ago
      They don't claim they love open source, or that they love Linux. But microsoft does. So by not open sourcing or releasing their main products on Linux, they are being hypocritical assholes who just want to look good.
  - giancarlostoro 8y ago
    > Because they keep churning out garbage. And the only "good" stuff they do make, they don't open source, or even release it on multiple platforms. .NET Core runs on Mac, Windows and Linux and is BSD licensed, and totally not all garbage (though I'm guessing you will disagree with me here with no backing facts because what defines garbage is mostly opinionated views). VS Code is the same scenario. Wow it astounds me the lack of understanding coming from you.
    - executesorder66 8y ago
      Yes I will concede that .net is not garbage. I have written code with it before and it's pretty average. It doesn't really give me anything that I can't do with Java or C++ (or other programming languages) So what I'm saying is that it doesn't really bring anything worthwhile to the table. VS Code. Yeah, I am not at all interested in an electron based code editor. And yet again, there is nothing new or novel here. There are dozens of other code editors that are free, cross platform, and very powerful. If they open sourced (or even released on multiple platforms) Visual Studio, then I'd take notice. Same for Office. > Wow it astounds me the lack of understanding coming from you. And I'm likewise astounded at all the people falling for microsoft's brainwashing PR bullshit.
- megaman22 8y ago
  Because M$ killed my Pappy! https://www.hanselman.com/blog/MicrosoftKilledMyPappy.aspx https://www.hanselman.com/blog/MicrosoftKilledMyPappy.aspx
gaius 8y ago
Modern Microsoft... God you guys are falling so much for PR it's not even funny. Careful, you’ll end up like ESR
pluma 8y ago
Well, my country literally committed the original Holocaust yet you probably don't automatically assume I'm an anti-Semite because of my nationality (and if you balk that so much time has passed since the end of WW2, think about whether you would have been right to think me an anti-Semite if we were in the 1960s). Companies change. Especially large corporations that have always been fairly heterogeneous. Microsoft never cared about killing open source, Microsoft cared about improving its bottom line and killing open source was considered a necessity to accomplish that goal. That didn't work out and now they're doing things differently.