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That’s exactly why I quantified it. There are people who have legitimate chemical imbalance induced depression.

greglindahl 8y ago
Have you ever asked a mental health professional if your original statement, quantified and all, is a smart thing to say?
- majewsky 8y ago
  In https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17571572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17571572 they reference their "shrink" as a source, which according to my dictionary is a colloquial term for a psychotherapist.
- 6nf 8y ago
  It is. I have 3 psychologist in the family, two of them with decades of clinical experience specifically with depression. The first day they see a patient with depression, they go through this list: - Make sure your sleep routine is good. Same bed time every day, same amount of sleep every day, not too little or too much. 7-9 hours depending on what works for you - Alcohol is bad for depression, this is not controversial. - Exercise is very important to help stabilise your mood. This is not controversial. - Get your vitamin D levels tested, many people are low and this is easy to fix and known to worsen depression. - Make sure your diet is consistent and healthy. This is the baseline treatment for everyone with depression. After you take care of these basics you go to the next level which would typcially involve therapy (CBT or psychotherapy) and that may or may not include medications like SSRIs etc.
  - rednerrus 8y ago
    It’s really disconcerting that my original comment garnered so much controversy and requests for sources. None of this is controversial.
    - aklemm 8y ago
      You got into trouble right at the start and never justified your opening, "For the majority of people..."
      - greglindahl 8y ago
        Yes, that was what I was asking about.
      - rednerrus 8y ago
        70% of people who’ve had an MDD episode get better with some intervention, drugs or behaviour modification. The efficacy of behaviour modification, diet, exercise, sleep is on par with drugs. It’s not out of the bounds of reason to extrapolate that for the majority of people suffering from depression behaviour modifications would be beneficial.
    - DanBC 8y ago
      Because you're making strong comments that are not supported by any fucking evidence about a health problem that kills people. You're grossly irresponsible to push your personal, unevidenced, pet theories. You talk about your lived experience: that tells us what worked for you. It says fuck all about anyone else. Notice also that the psychiatrists and psychologists you worked with have professional qualifications and professional registration.
- rednerrus 8y ago
  I’ve seen a psychiatrist for the last ten years and a therapist for the ten years before that. Do you know why I got better? I did the work. If you’re going to a PDoc that isn’t advocating for you to change the behaviours I recommended, along with medication if the circumstances warrant it, find a different PDoc.
DanBC 8y ago
> There are people who have legitimate chemical imbalance induced depression. Please stop. Suicide is a leading cause of death. Suicide is a complex phenomena, and we should not attribute it to one cause. But idiots spreading ignorant bullshit cause harm and kill people.

Have you ever asked a mental health professional if your original statement, quantified and all, is a smart thing to say?

majewsky 8y ago
In https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17571572 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17571572 they reference their "shrink" as a source, which according to my dictionary is a colloquial term for a psychotherapist.
6nf 8y ago
It is. I have 3 psychologist in the family, two of them with decades of clinical experience specifically with depression. The first day they see a patient with depression, they go through this list: - Make sure your sleep routine is good. Same bed time every day, same amount of sleep every day, not too little or too much. 7-9 hours depending on what works for you - Alcohol is bad for depression, this is not controversial. - Exercise is very important to help stabilise your mood. This is not controversial. - Get your vitamin D levels tested, many people are low and this is easy to fix and known to worsen depression. - Make sure your diet is consistent and healthy. This is the baseline treatment for everyone with depression. After you take care of these basics you go to the next level which would typcially involve therapy (CBT or psychotherapy) and that may or may not include medications like SSRIs etc.
- rednerrus 8y ago
  It’s really disconcerting that my original comment garnered so much controversy and requests for sources. None of this is controversial.
  - aklemm 8y ago
    You got into trouble right at the start and never justified your opening, "For the majority of people..."
    - greglindahl 8y ago
      Yes, that was what I was asking about.
    - rednerrus 8y ago
      70% of people who’ve had an MDD episode get better with some intervention, drugs or behaviour modification. The efficacy of behaviour modification, diet, exercise, sleep is on par with drugs. It’s not out of the bounds of reason to extrapolate that for the majority of people suffering from depression behaviour modifications would be beneficial.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    Because you're making strong comments that are not supported by any fucking evidence about a health problem that kills people. You're grossly irresponsible to push your personal, unevidenced, pet theories. You talk about your lived experience: that tells us what worked for you. It says fuck all about anyone else. Notice also that the psychiatrists and psychologists you worked with have professional qualifications and professional registration.
rednerrus 8y ago
I’ve seen a psychiatrist for the last ten years and a therapist for the ten years before that. Do you know why I got better? I did the work. If you’re going to a PDoc that isn’t advocating for you to change the behaviours I recommended, along with medication if the circumstances warrant it, find a different PDoc.

DanBC 8y ago

> There are people who have legitimate chemical imbalance induced depression. Please stop. Suicide is a leading cause of death. Suicide is a complex phenomena, and we should not attribute it to one cause. But idiots spreading ignorant bullshit cause harm and kill people.