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Part of the reason why I quantified it. There are legitimate cases of depression caused by non-self-inflicted chemical imbalances. I’m not advocating for peopl

Part of the reason why I quantified it. There are legitimate cases of depression caused by non-self-inflicted chemical imbalances. I’m not advocating for people who are currently taking anti-depressants to drop their pills tomorrow. The studies (I’m on the train so I’m not trying to cite these sources, google it) show that lifestyle changes with antidepressants is much more effective than antidepressants alone. Even if you have a non-self-inflicted chemical imbalance, your shrink is likely to prescribe all of the things I listed. Source: my shrink, and every shrink worth their salt.

WalterGR 8y ago
Part of the reason why I quantified it. You qualified it. If you quantified it, you would have provided numbers backing up your argument.
- rednerrus 8y ago
  Fewer than 30% of people with MDD episodes have treatment resistance depression. The majority of people with depression respond to treatment. The efficacy of diet, exercise, and sleep are on par with drugs.
  - AstralStorm 8y ago
    You mean low and not additive, right?
  - DanBC 8y ago
    > The efficacy of diet, exercise, and sleep are on par with drugs This is simply untrue.
phnk 8y ago
Apologies for bluntness, but you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. The false dichotomy between "self-induced" and "non-self-inflicted [sic]" is something that your "shrink" would have dismissed in the first minutes of honest conversation, before turning to your list of lifestyle adjustments and pointing out that there is a wide range of responses to them. The kind of baseless speculation that you offer, followed by the obligatory confirmation-bias sequence, is precisely how some people end up treating psychiatric illness in highly neglectful and harmful ways.
DanBC 8y ago
> non-self-inflicted chemical imbalance, This is a flag that shows you don't know what you're talking about. No one credible talks about chemical imbalance; it's a model that's been out of use for many years now.

WalterGR 8y ago

Part of the reason why I quantified it. You qualified it. If you quantified it, you would have provided numbers backing up your argument.

rednerrus 8y ago
Fewer than 30% of people with MDD episodes have treatment resistance depression. The majority of people with depression respond to treatment. The efficacy of diet, exercise, and sleep are on par with drugs.
- AstralStorm 8y ago
  You mean low and not additive, right?
- DanBC 8y ago
  > The efficacy of diet, exercise, and sleep are on par with drugs This is simply untrue.

phnk 8y ago

Apologies for bluntness, but you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. The false dichotomy between "self-induced" and "non-self-inflicted [sic]" is something that your "shrink" would have dismissed in the first minutes of honest conversation, before turning to your list of lifestyle adjustments and pointing out that there is a wide range of responses to them. The kind of baseless speculation that you offer, followed by the obligatory confirmation-bias sequence, is precisely how some people end up treating psychiatric illness in highly neglectful and harmful ways.

DanBC 8y ago

> non-self-inflicted chemical imbalance, This is a flag that shows you don't know what you're talking about. No one credible talks about chemical imbalance; it's a model that's been out of use for many years now.