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> Isn't it amazing how an insular group managed to independently come up with Haskell-like list comprehensions, and even give them the same name? That's the bi

> Isn't it amazing how an insular group managed to independently come up with Haskell-like list comprehensions, and even give them the same name? That's the big irony: The very same things the senior community and GVR pan are in fact their bread and butter. They're smart and informed. But the engender an attitude of willful ignorance in their community. GVR is smart. I've been on a pretty intense private mailing list with him. He can competently talk to both advanced functional programming and OO programming. He can talk about advanced compiler and gc subjects. He just doesn't in public, because that'd weaken the message and persona he adopts in public.

eesmith 8y ago
To the contrary, I cannot reconcile your statement about their insularity with the observed behavior. It's almost as if you are wrong in your interpretation. It's easy to prove me wrong - where has van Rossum panned list comprehensions or the new async/await features?
- KirinDave 8y ago
  > It's easy to prove me wrong - where has van Rossum panned list comprehensions or the new async/await features? Since I never claimed he did, I struggle to provide offhand examples. See: every discussion about lambdas discredited every day by the existence of a robust self-taught javascript community.
  - eesmith 8y ago
    Are you being deliberately obtuse? You said Python developers as a whole were insular and as a whole it "prides itself on ignoring things". I listed three different things which Python obviously got by looking to other languages. This is neither insular nor ignorant. How do you reconcile your statement with my observation? You replied with "The very same things the senior community and GVR pan are in fact their bread and butter." I presumed this had something to do with the three items I listed, since that's how conversations are supposed to work. Van Rossum has been pushing for async programming since at least Tulip, so it was certainly part of his 'bread&butter'. Thus, async/await are in category of things you claimed that he panned. Now you say you didn't claim that? Are you really just so pissed off that van Rossum doesn't like lambda that you want to besmirch the entire Python development community?

eesmith 8y ago

To the contrary, I cannot reconcile your statement about their insularity with the observed behavior. It's almost as if you are wrong in your interpretation. It's easy to prove me wrong - where has van Rossum panned list comprehensions or the new async/await features?

KirinDave 8y ago
> It's easy to prove me wrong - where has van Rossum panned list comprehensions or the new async/await features? Since I never claimed he did, I struggle to provide offhand examples. See: every discussion about lambdas discredited every day by the existence of a robust self-taught javascript community.
- eesmith 8y ago
  Are you being deliberately obtuse? You said Python developers as a whole were insular and as a whole it "prides itself on ignoring things". I listed three different things which Python obviously got by looking to other languages. This is neither insular nor ignorant. How do you reconcile your statement with my observation? You replied with "The very same things the senior community and GVR pan are in fact their bread and butter." I presumed this had something to do with the three items I listed, since that's how conversations are supposed to work. Van Rossum has been pushing for async programming since at least Tulip, so it was certainly part of his 'bread&butter'. Thus, async/await are in category of things you claimed that he panned. Now you say you didn't claim that? Are you really just so pissed off that van Rossum doesn't like lambda that you want to besmirch the entire Python development community?