I think I came off as too pedantic or combative in my original reply. I'm not personally bothered all that much by dongles. A little, but "eh". I think the fru

I think I came off as too pedantic or combative in my original reply. I'm not personally bothered all that much by dongles. A little, but "eh". I think the frustration dongle-haters feel is that Apple puts so much effort into slimming down their laptops, only to ruin it with the need to pack extra stuff. If the computer was just a few mm thicker, it would have better battery life, room for some USB-A ports, HDMI port, etc. And the backpack wouldn't need to have the dongle or extra cables in there. Again, this is mostly academic for me. The only dongle I've ever had to use is a TB-to-GigEth one. But I was pissed the one time I forgot it and became the only person in the room unable to get on the network. Wi-Fi is way more common now, so that's not a hazard. But the other ports (USB-A, HDMI, etc.) are still in wide use, whereas USB-C is still a mishmash of incompatible cables, protocols, and connector types. A few years from now, this whole argument will probably (hopefully) be looked at the same way the floppy drive's abandonment was in 1997.