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I have young kids. Until recently I lived in the East Village, and now in a proper house on 1/3 acre in Colorado. Life in Manhattan is fun but damn is it hard.

I have young kids. Until recently I lived in the East Village, and now in a proper house on 1/3 acre in Colorado. Life in Manhattan is fun but damn is it hard. Especially with young kids. And that was lower Manhattan, probably the richest, most charming high-density place in the world. I can completely understand why the residents of Vancouver wouldn't want to see their quaint little neighborhood demolished for the sake of stacking more people into the city in a bunch of glass-and-concrete trash cans.

rayiner 8y ago
Then just move. After years of living downtown (Chicago, Baltimore, etc.) I moved to the suburb of Annapolis. It has its charms, but if Annapolis suddenly explodes in population, I don't see myself as having a right to freeze it in time circa 2018. You have no right to tell people what they can do with their own property, unless it's harming you. (And your snowflake aesthetic sensibilities do not count as harm.)
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  >You have no right to tell people what they can do with their own property, unless it's harming you. The definition of "harming you" in CA is far more inclusive than it is on the east coast and that is reflected in the local laws that restrict what people can do on their own property.
- greedo 8y ago
  And I as well, would tell those who are unhappy with the cost of housing in SF to just move to a cheaper area. By your argument, they have no right to tell people living there what they can do with their property. That's obviously not how it works though. By voting and electing people who want to change the status quo, they can tell people what to do with their property. (edited for typos)
  - rayiner 8y ago
    > By your argument, they have no right to tell people living their what they can do with their property. That's a false equivalence. People moving in aren't telling people in San Francisco what to do with their property. There is a mutual transaction (between a developer in San Francisco that wants to build say a high-rise apartment and people who want to rent it), that is being blocked by NIMBYs who have no property interest in the land on which the apartment would sit. > By voting and electing people who want to change the status quo, they can tell people what to do with their property. Only because Euclid was wrongly decided: http://oldurbanist.blogspot.com/2011/11/ever-since-euclid.html http://oldurbanist.blogspot.com/2011/11/ever-since-euclid.ht....
    - greedo 8y ago
      Tax policy and zoning is clearly telling people what they can do with their property. Eminent domain is clearly telling people what they can do with their property. The problem is that those who want cheaper housing don't have the votes to win on that issue. And if building a high rise damages the value of an adjacent property with no compensation, that's a taking, no?

rayiner 8y ago

Then just move. After years of living downtown (Chicago, Baltimore, etc.) I moved to the suburb of Annapolis. It has its charms, but if Annapolis suddenly explodes in population, I don't see myself as having a right to freeze it in time circa 2018. You have no right to tell people what they can do with their own property, unless it's harming you. (And your snowflake aesthetic sensibilities do not count as harm.)

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
>You have no right to tell people what they can do with their own property, unless it's harming you. The definition of "harming you" in CA is far more inclusive than it is on the east coast and that is reflected in the local laws that restrict what people can do on their own property.
greedo 8y ago
And I as well, would tell those who are unhappy with the cost of housing in SF to just move to a cheaper area. By your argument, they have no right to tell people living there what they can do with their property. That's obviously not how it works though. By voting and electing people who want to change the status quo, they can tell people what to do with their property. (edited for typos)
- rayiner 8y ago
  > By your argument, they have no right to tell people living their what they can do with their property. That's a false equivalence. People moving in aren't telling people in San Francisco what to do with their property. There is a mutual transaction (between a developer in San Francisco that wants to build say a high-rise apartment and people who want to rent it), that is being blocked by NIMBYs who have no property interest in the land on which the apartment would sit. > By voting and electing people who want to change the status quo, they can tell people what to do with their property. Only because Euclid was wrongly decided: http://oldurbanist.blogspot.com/2011/11/ever-since-euclid.html http://oldurbanist.blogspot.com/2011/11/ever-since-euclid.ht....
  - greedo 8y ago
    Tax policy and zoning is clearly telling people what they can do with their property. Eminent domain is clearly telling people what they can do with their property. The problem is that those who want cheaper housing don't have the votes to win on that issue. And if building a high rise damages the value of an adjacent property with no compensation, that's a taking, no?