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> more than plenty. By whose measure? If it is more than plenty then you dont need to put any rules limiting it, it already satisfies the demand. > 100% apart

> more than plenty. By whose measure? If it is more than plenty then you dont need to put any rules limiting it, it already satisfies the demand. > 100% apartments would destroy SF. People fighting to get to live in SF because of its character. Destroying that you won't have San Francisco. San francisco has been destroyed many times over. Its not the gold-digging town it used to be in the quaint 1800's, or the low-cost, cheap city it was in the 1930s, etc etc. If san francisco doubles its population it will be another city: it is inevitable and it is good. This is not SF's first iteration and wont be its last.

reaperducer 8y ago
it is inevitable A thousand towns and cities in Europe would disagree. and it is good Your opinion. Fortunately, not the opinion of the majority of voters in San Francisco.
- rsynnott 8y ago
  > A thousand towns and cities in Europe would disagree. Which cities of any significance in Europe have avoided high-density development? There'll often be protected areas of historical interest, but it's not normal to freeze the city as a whole in time.
- conanbatt 8y ago
  > Your opinion. Fortunately, not the opinion of the majority of voters in San Francisco. A mere electoral trick. If every person that works in SF voted you would get the opposite result. Also, all the people you mention will die and will be replaced by others.
  - reaperducer 8y ago
    all the people you mention will die and will be replaced by others. As will you. And people who don't respect or understand what you love will destroy it and replace it.
  - greedo 8y ago
    A mere electoral trick. Do you think people living in the US on guest/student/h1B visas should be able to vote in US elections? The loops people seem to go through whenever landowners and their representatives do something that the have-nots don't like is amazing.
    - conanbatt 8y ago
      I believe many things, but people working and living in SF are paying taxes in SF and are not able to vote on local issues that affect either their taxation, their permanence and their quality of life in the very place. Countries have declared independence protesting taxation without representation.
      - greedo 8y ago
        If they're living in SF, they can vote in local elections. If they don't live in SF, they shouldn't be able to; unless you're advocating for overturning centuries of how voting is conducted.
        conanbatt 8y ago
        Foreigners and people living in the east bay and commuting to SF pay SF taxes but dont vote. What kind of person works in SF and lives outside SF? The kind that would vote against anything restricting housing supply. But this is now a red-herring. Arguing that its justifiable because the voting has resulted into this can only be contested with a vote, not with any other argument like "destroy the city" or "good for whatever X". Is a pure political power argument.

reaperducer 8y ago

it is inevitable A thousand towns and cities in Europe would disagree. and it is good Your opinion. Fortunately, not the opinion of the majority of voters in San Francisco.

rsynnott 8y ago
> A thousand towns and cities in Europe would disagree. Which cities of any significance in Europe have avoided high-density development? There'll often be protected areas of historical interest, but it's not normal to freeze the city as a whole in time.
conanbatt 8y ago
> Your opinion. Fortunately, not the opinion of the majority of voters in San Francisco. A mere electoral trick. If every person that works in SF voted you would get the opposite result. Also, all the people you mention will die and will be replaced by others.
- reaperducer 8y ago
  all the people you mention will die and will be replaced by others. As will you. And people who don't respect or understand what you love will destroy it and replace it.
- greedo 8y ago
  A mere electoral trick. Do you think people living in the US on guest/student/h1B visas should be able to vote in US elections? The loops people seem to go through whenever landowners and their representatives do something that the have-nots don't like is amazing.
  - conanbatt 8y ago
    I believe many things, but people working and living in SF are paying taxes in SF and are not able to vote on local issues that affect either their taxation, their permanence and their quality of life in the very place. Countries have declared independence protesting taxation without representation.
    - greedo 8y ago
      If they're living in SF, they can vote in local elections. If they don't live in SF, they shouldn't be able to; unless you're advocating for overturning centuries of how voting is conducted.
      - conanbatt 8y ago
        Foreigners and people living in the east bay and commuting to SF pay SF taxes but dont vote. What kind of person works in SF and lives outside SF? The kind that would vote against anything restricting housing supply. But this is now a red-herring. Arguing that its justifiable because the voting has resulted into this can only be contested with a vote, not with any other argument like "destroy the city" or "good for whatever X". Is a pure political power argument.