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> There is nothing that stops a manufacturer from providing microG instead of Play Services and hence cutting Google out. Except that microG doesn't work. It i

> There is nothing that stops a manufacturer from providing microG instead of Play Services and hence cutting Google out. Except that microG doesn't work. It is even far behind Amazon's own implementation of GMS, and Amazon has dumped piles of money into it. > The same manufacturers that Google has been screwing over with its anti competitive practices... Surprisingly, the manufacturers aren't the ones filing the anti-trust complaints in this case. The case was brought initially by Oracle, Microsoft & company.

prepend 8y ago
But isn’t this reasonable since Samsung bringing up this lawsuit could be disastrous in harming their partnership with Google. The Microsoft case wasn’t brought about by Compaq and Dell either even though they were being hosed [0]. While the case was brought by states and DOJ, there was lots of pressure from Netscape/Sun. Not really their hardware partners. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....
- ucaetano 8y ago
  > But isn’t this reasonable since Samsung bringing up this lawsuit could be disastrous in harming their partnership with Google. Sure, but you can't make the claim that Samsung is then being screwed over by Google. > Not really their hardware partners. Sure, and Samsung preloads its own browser today.
  - taeric 8y ago
    Why can't you? You can concede they would get more screwed by dirtying their relationship, without conceding that they are in a great relationship now.
    - ucaetano 8y ago
      > Why can't you? Because you have no information to make that conclusion. But if you want to make a wild guess, sure, go ahead.
      - taeric 8y ago
        So you don't have a logical reason people couldn't make that claim. You just want them to provide some evidence to corroborate it?
        ucaetano 8y ago
        "Not having any evidence to corroborate" is logical reason enough not to make a claim.
        taeric 8y ago
        But that is a different route. Claim that they don't have evidence. Or refute that the relationship is truly bad. This line was specifically "You can't make the claim that Samsung is then being screwed over by Google." Sure you can. Just provide evidence. So, change that refutation to "what is your evidence taht they are getting screwed over by Google?" On that, you have my complete agreement.
blub 8y ago
It's very very simple to understand, but I do recognise your name from your repeated and tireless defences of Google and the morally bankrupt spyware/online ad business. And once again I'll have to correct some misconceptions. Samsung / Sony / etc are companies with a lot to lose, and they correctly calculated that "better the enemy you know". Their entire mobile business depends on a good relationship with Google, so it's blindingly obvious that they won't bite the hand that feeds them. Internally, they're probably throwing parties that the big bully is punished by the headmaster.
- ucaetano 8y ago
  > I do recognise your name from your repeated and tireless defences of Google and the morally bankrupt spyware/online ad business Ouch, ad hominem attacks? Come on, you can do better than this.

prepend 8y ago

But isn’t this reasonable since Samsung bringing up this lawsuit could be disastrous in harming their partnership with Google. The Microsoft case wasn’t brought about by Compaq and Dell either even though they were being hosed [0]. While the case was brought by states and DOJ, there was lots of pressure from Netscape/Sun. Not really their hardware partners. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....

ucaetano 8y ago
> But isn’t this reasonable since Samsung bringing up this lawsuit could be disastrous in harming their partnership with Google. Sure, but you can't make the claim that Samsung is then being screwed over by Google. > Not really their hardware partners. Sure, and Samsung preloads its own browser today.
- taeric 8y ago
  Why can't you? You can concede they would get more screwed by dirtying their relationship, without conceding that they are in a great relationship now.
  - ucaetano 8y ago
    > Why can't you? Because you have no information to make that conclusion. But if you want to make a wild guess, sure, go ahead.
    - taeric 8y ago
      So you don't have a logical reason people couldn't make that claim. You just want them to provide some evidence to corroborate it?
      - ucaetano 8y ago
        "Not having any evidence to corroborate" is logical reason enough not to make a claim.
        taeric 8y ago
        But that is a different route. Claim that they don't have evidence. Or refute that the relationship is truly bad. This line was specifically "You can't make the claim that Samsung is then being screwed over by Google." Sure you can. Just provide evidence. So, change that refutation to "what is your evidence taht they are getting screwed over by Google?" On that, you have my complete agreement.

blub 8y ago

It's very very simple to understand, but I do recognise your name from your repeated and tireless defences of Google and the morally bankrupt spyware/online ad business. And once again I'll have to correct some misconceptions. Samsung / Sony / etc are companies with a lot to lose, and they correctly calculated that "better the enemy you know". Their entire mobile business depends on a good relationship with Google, so it's blindingly obvious that they won't bite the hand that feeds them. Internally, they're probably throwing parties that the big bully is punished by the headmaster.

ucaetano 8y ago
> I do recognise your name from your repeated and tireless defences of Google and the morally bankrupt spyware/online ad business Ouch, ad hominem attacks? Come on, you can do better than this.