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Replace gangrene with whatever bacterial infection you want. You've been infected with an antibiotic resistant strain - of tuberculosis for example. Please exp

Replace gangrene with whatever bacterial infection you want. You've been infected with an antibiotic resistant strain - of tuberculosis for example. Please explain how you'll resolve the situation. Note that I'm not arguing lifestyle changes aren't important; I agree with parts of your other comments on that issue. I just don't understand why you think that pursuing other research avenues into defeating antibiotic resistant bacteria, that can cause a resurgence in plagues that were previously under control, is a bad or unimportant thing. I'd very much like to not go back to the days when people died from Consumption left and right.

RobertRoberts 8y ago
Gangrene isn't an infection [0] tuberculosis (consumption) is caused by a virus and isn't cured by antibiotics.[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangrene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangrene [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis#Prevention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis#Prevention
- shdon 8y ago
  Ehm, the Wikipedia article you link to for Tuberculosis directly contradicts your statement. Some quotes from that very page: "Tuberculosis (TB) is an infectious disease usually caused by the bacterium Mycobacterium tuberculosis (MTB)." "Treatment of TB uses antibiotics to kill the bacteria."
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    I misunderstood the article (I did not read it thoroughly). I jumped to a conclusion in haste.
- adrianN 8y ago
  > The main cause of TB is Mycobacterium tuberculosis (MTB), a small, aerobic, nonmotile bacillus. You also evade the point that many people used to die from infections that can now be cured by antibiotics and for which we have no backup plan once the bacteria have evolved resistance.
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    You are bringing up one of the biggest holes in modern understanding of history, lack of data. For example, tuberculosis was on the decline for a very, very long time before any medical solution was found, and it was nearly irradiated before there was a vaccine. [0] The vaccine had almost no effect on TB's decline in society. This graph is nearly identical to all diseases that I looked up. Good housing, nutrition, cleanliness are the biggest cures for disease. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuberculosis_in_the_USA_1861-2014.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuberculosis_in_the_USA_1...
- DanBC 8y ago
  neither of the links you supply support your point. > Gangrene is caused by a critically insufficient blood supply (e.g., peripheral vascular disease) or infection.
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    There are two types of gangrene wet and dry. But both are just "dead tissue". Dead tissue can't be cured.
    - DanBC 8y ago
      The link that you provided says: "Treatment may involve surgery to remove the dead tissue, antibiotics to treat any infection,"
      - RobertRoberts 8y ago
        Infection already present or infection from surgery. But gangrene is not an infection itself.
- GenericsMotors 8y ago
  In the very same wikipedia article you linked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis#Management https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis#Management Please read it. And also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensively_drug-resistant_tuberculosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensively_drug-resistant_tub... Lastly, TB is caused by a bacteria, not a virus. Again, it's right there in the wikipedia page you linked. Could you please answer the question then? How do you go about treating an antibiotic resistant TB infection you've acquired?
  - RobertRoberts 8y ago
    Yep, I didn't read it thoroughly, I replied in haste with wrong information done with poorly executed research. >"How do you go about treating an antibiotic resistant TB infection you've acquired?" I am not a doctor, but I found out 20 years ago the University of Oregon had done research on bacteria and showed that anti-bacterial soap did no better than regular soap at killing bacteria. What this tells me is there is some logical problems with our general perspective on health and bacteria. There was a time when the medical industry believed "bad air" (miasma) was the cause of disease. And before that some other explanation. There was a time when doctors recommended certain brands of cigarettes and leaded gasoline additives was considered safe enough to eat. To believe that we understand everything about disease today (even in face of the fact that we are losing the battle against it) is the height of hubris. Do I have my own experience and beliefs about fighting sickness and disease? Yes, but I am learning to not bother discussing it online, the attacks for daring to question the established authorities is exhausting. I was sick constantly as a child, ear aches, migraines, severe athletes foot, pink eye, sore throats, flu, diarrhoea, intolerable gas pains, delusional sleep episodes, pnuemonia (sick 3 months one summer), colds every winter, tooth decay. When I got older, all I did was change my diet. And I haven't been sick in twenty years. (to be accurate I was sick a few times when I didn't sleep for days and lived off coffee, but this was my choice) My kids are almost never sick. They get a runny nose when they don't dress properly, or don't get enough sleep. All my friends kids are out of school every winter with flu and colds, vomiting and horrible coughs. One simple rule I live by, don't put crap in my body, or my kids' bodies. (or at least as much as I can manage) No magic there. I've only taken one child to the emergency room for being sick, she had a fever and since I so rarely dealt with sickness, I didn't know what it was. The nurse recognized it while we were in the waiting room, I could have just gone home right then. What would I do if I got TB? I'd remove every single obstacle in my body's immune system to fight it off.In fact, that is pretty much what all medicine does anyways (look up how vaccines work, they don't kill anything, and if antibiotics don't work, what choice do you have?), and try and provide my body with anything that is missing that it needs (nutrition perhaps? don't know...). No doctor would argue about these basic concepts. In fact the doctor told me I could have just put my daughter in a cold bath to deal with fever, would have been just as effective as bringing her into the hospital. All they gave her was tylenol and advil. (rotating doses) Fever broke in minutes. Look up recent "discoveries" about effective hand washing, even soap isn't effective, but scrubbing with water is. Just water and scrubbing kills bacteria better than antibiotic hand soap, and antibiotics are failing. There's some missing knowledge, and maybe some old knowledge that's been lost that needs to be found again. Edit: Most people who die from TB (quick look on google) seem to have auto-immune disease (ie, immune system doesn't work), I think with modern nutrition and cleanliness in society TB isn't even an issue anymore. If your immune system doesn't work, then my very first comment applies, create your own custom immune system is maybe your last resort. (ie, hacked viruses) But I am a total ignoramus, all I have are google searches to base my opinion on. I am not a doctor, nor a scientist to prove anything.

RobertRoberts 8y ago

Gangrene isn't an infection [0] tuberculosis (consumption) is caused by a virus and isn't cured by antibiotics.[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangrene https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangrene [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis#Prevention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis#Prevention

shdon 8y ago
Ehm, the Wikipedia article you link to for Tuberculosis directly contradicts your statement. Some quotes from that very page: "Tuberculosis (TB) is an infectious disease usually caused by the bacterium Mycobacterium tuberculosis (MTB)." "Treatment of TB uses antibiotics to kill the bacteria."
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  I misunderstood the article (I did not read it thoroughly). I jumped to a conclusion in haste.
adrianN 8y ago
> The main cause of TB is Mycobacterium tuberculosis (MTB), a small, aerobic, nonmotile bacillus. You also evade the point that many people used to die from infections that can now be cured by antibiotics and for which we have no backup plan once the bacteria have evolved resistance.
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  You are bringing up one of the biggest holes in modern understanding of history, lack of data. For example, tuberculosis was on the decline for a very, very long time before any medical solution was found, and it was nearly irradiated before there was a vaccine. [0] The vaccine had almost no effect on TB's decline in society. This graph is nearly identical to all diseases that I looked up. Good housing, nutrition, cleanliness are the biggest cures for disease. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuberculosis_in_the_USA_1861-2014.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuberculosis_in_the_USA_1...
DanBC 8y ago
neither of the links you supply support your point. > Gangrene is caused by a critically insufficient blood supply (e.g., peripheral vascular disease) or infection.
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  There are two types of gangrene wet and dry. But both are just "dead tissue". Dead tissue can't be cured.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    The link that you provided says: "Treatment may involve surgery to remove the dead tissue, antibiotics to treat any infection,"
    - RobertRoberts 8y ago
      Infection already present or infection from surgery. But gangrene is not an infection itself.
GenericsMotors 8y ago
In the very same wikipedia article you linked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis#Management https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis#Management Please read it. And also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensively_drug-resistant_tuberculosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensively_drug-resistant_tub... Lastly, TB is caused by a bacteria, not a virus. Again, it's right there in the wikipedia page you linked. Could you please answer the question then? How do you go about treating an antibiotic resistant TB infection you've acquired?
- RobertRoberts 8y ago
  Yep, I didn't read it thoroughly, I replied in haste with wrong information done with poorly executed research. >"How do you go about treating an antibiotic resistant TB infection you've acquired?" I am not a doctor, but I found out 20 years ago the University of Oregon had done research on bacteria and showed that anti-bacterial soap did no better than regular soap at killing bacteria. What this tells me is there is some logical problems with our general perspective on health and bacteria. There was a time when the medical industry believed "bad air" (miasma) was the cause of disease. And before that some other explanation. There was a time when doctors recommended certain brands of cigarettes and leaded gasoline additives was considered safe enough to eat. To believe that we understand everything about disease today (even in face of the fact that we are losing the battle against it) is the height of hubris. Do I have my own experience and beliefs about fighting sickness and disease? Yes, but I am learning to not bother discussing it online, the attacks for daring to question the established authorities is exhausting. I was sick constantly as a child, ear aches, migraines, severe athletes foot, pink eye, sore throats, flu, diarrhoea, intolerable gas pains, delusional sleep episodes, pnuemonia (sick 3 months one summer), colds every winter, tooth decay. When I got older, all I did was change my diet. And I haven't been sick in twenty years. (to be accurate I was sick a few times when I didn't sleep for days and lived off coffee, but this was my choice) My kids are almost never sick. They get a runny nose when they don't dress properly, or don't get enough sleep. All my friends kids are out of school every winter with flu and colds, vomiting and horrible coughs. One simple rule I live by, don't put crap in my body, or my kids' bodies. (or at least as much as I can manage) No magic there. I've only taken one child to the emergency room for being sick, she had a fever and since I so rarely dealt with sickness, I didn't know what it was. The nurse recognized it while we were in the waiting room, I could have just gone home right then. What would I do if I got TB? I'd remove every single obstacle in my body's immune system to fight it off.In fact, that is pretty much what all medicine does anyways (look up how vaccines work, they don't kill anything, and if antibiotics don't work, what choice do you have?), and try and provide my body with anything that is missing that it needs (nutrition perhaps? don't know...). No doctor would argue about these basic concepts. In fact the doctor told me I could have just put my daughter in a cold bath to deal with fever, would have been just as effective as bringing her into the hospital. All they gave her was tylenol and advil. (rotating doses) Fever broke in minutes. Look up recent "discoveries" about effective hand washing, even soap isn't effective, but scrubbing with water is. Just water and scrubbing kills bacteria better than antibiotic hand soap, and antibiotics are failing. There's some missing knowledge, and maybe some old knowledge that's been lost that needs to be found again. Edit: Most people who die from TB (quick look on google) seem to have auto-immune disease (ie, immune system doesn't work), I think with modern nutrition and cleanliness in society TB isn't even an issue anymore. If your immune system doesn't work, then my very first comment applies, create your own custom immune system is maybe your last resort. (ie, hacked viruses) But I am a total ignoramus, all I have are google searches to base my opinion on. I am not a doctor, nor a scientist to prove anything.