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I actually liked Infinity War for breaking the formula. In the end, the antagonist won and half the universe died. They didn't pull out a last ditch win using t

by swebs 8y ago

I actually liked Infinity War for breaking the formula. In the end, the antagonist won and half the universe died. They didn't pull out a last ditch win using the power of friendship or childhood promises from flashbacks or other such cliches. Of course, this will all be subverted when the sequel comes out, but I can at least enjoy it for now.

gambiting 8y ago
That was the first Marvel movie that I actually liked in a long long time - it felt like it had some weight to its scenes, it wasn't peppered with idiotic, unnecessary jokes every 30 seconds(looking at you Thor&Gotg2), and the antagonist had an understandable and well thought out goal, not just "I want to kill everyone because I'm evil lol". The only other Marvel movie that had a decent antagonist was Spider Man: Homecoming - it wasn't some evil being from outer space, but a normal dude who lost his income and wanted to provide for his family, that was actually relatable, even if his methods weren't. Like you said, the sequel to Infinity War will probably undo this and be disappointing in comparison, but I'm enjoying what we got.
- krapp 8y ago
  >and the antagonist had an understandable and well thought out goal, not just "I want to kill everyone because I'm evil lol". The movies improve on the original in that regard, where Thanos gets the Infinity Gauntlet and murders half the universe just to impress a woman.
  - Balero 8y ago
    I dunno, I've done some pretty dumb things to impress a girl. If anything that would be even more relatable!
- mattmanser 8y ago
  The Joss Whedon inspired comedy is great for many of us. I loved Taika Waititi's take on Thor, especially compared to the first one, as did most other people. And it's sitting on 7.9 on IMDB, which is pretty much a resounding "Wow". If you loved Thor Ragnarok, watch Hunt for the Wilderpeople, it's a real indie gem and you can play spot the Ragnarok actors. Also Chris Hemsworth's comic timing is great, he was a real highlight in Ghostbusters too. It reminds me of Ryan Gosling in the Nice Guys, a rare surprise that an actor can do comedy too that you weren't expecting. As for Marvel baddies, yes, I generally agree with you. Their best baddies have been in the TV shows, namely Wilson Fisk's Kingpin and David Tennant's Kilgrave.
  - billfruit 8y ago
    I thought the first Thor movie was the better one of the Marvel movies, perhaps it was because of Kenneth Branagh's influence, and his experience with Shakespeare; he did the family conflict in Asgard quite well.
untog 8y ago
It seems like they've taken the usual formula and just stretched it out over two movies. Most superhero movies have a moment where our hero is down, and all hope looks lost... only to bring it all back from the brink. So, part two it is. I've come to accept the Marvel movies on the basis that they're a giant subsidy program for the industry at large. Talented actors and directors can phone it in and make huge salaries, which enables them to choose an interesting, low budget project next. I'd still rather those low budget movies got even a tenth of the budget that the average Marvel movie does, but oh well.
- Sahbak 8y ago
  The hero's journey is the reason I find it so hard to care about anything that happens in Marvel and most fantasy films. Knowing what comes next (Oh look, here is the part where Thor/Black Panther/Spiderman/etc loses his power) really kills my interest in the plot.
krapp 8y ago
One argument I've seen explaining why Infinity War works is that Thanos isn't really the antagonist, but the protagonist. Also, considering what happened in the Infinity War arc in the comics, I don't think they could have done otherwise.
Nasrudith 8y ago
The Infinity Gauntlet sounds like the start of an ancient writing unraveling under weight of continuity and past easy fixes to writing oneself into the corner since it not only allows retcons but in character which makes nothing really matter. A literal plot device. Captain America is dead and/or a nazi? Someone go punch Red Skull. Okay you reversed it without ending world hunger, disease or preventing the Holocaust? Our hero sure is an asshole. Fundamentally if all major conflicts don't revolve around it they are either completely out of its reach or being stupid.

by swebs 8y ago

gambiting 8y ago

That was the first Marvel movie that I actually liked in a long long time - it felt like it had some weight to its scenes, it wasn't peppered with idiotic, unnecessary jokes every 30 seconds(looking at you Thor&Gotg2), and the antagonist had an understandable and well thought out goal, not just "I want to kill everyone because I'm evil lol". The only other Marvel movie that had a decent antagonist was Spider Man: Homecoming - it wasn't some evil being from outer space, but a normal dude who lost his income and wanted to provide for his family, that was actually relatable, even if his methods weren't. Like you said, the sequel to Infinity War will probably undo this and be disappointing in comparison, but I'm enjoying what we got.

krapp 8y ago
>and the antagonist had an understandable and well thought out goal, not just "I want to kill everyone because I'm evil lol". The movies improve on the original in that regard, where Thanos gets the Infinity Gauntlet and murders half the universe just to impress a woman.
- Balero 8y ago
  I dunno, I've done some pretty dumb things to impress a girl. If anything that would be even more relatable!
mattmanser 8y ago
The Joss Whedon inspired comedy is great for many of us. I loved Taika Waititi's take on Thor, especially compared to the first one, as did most other people. And it's sitting on 7.9 on IMDB, which is pretty much a resounding "Wow". If you loved Thor Ragnarok, watch Hunt for the Wilderpeople, it's a real indie gem and you can play spot the Ragnarok actors. Also Chris Hemsworth's comic timing is great, he was a real highlight in Ghostbusters too. It reminds me of Ryan Gosling in the Nice Guys, a rare surprise that an actor can do comedy too that you weren't expecting. As for Marvel baddies, yes, I generally agree with you. Their best baddies have been in the TV shows, namely Wilson Fisk's Kingpin and David Tennant's Kilgrave.
- billfruit 8y ago
  I thought the first Thor movie was the better one of the Marvel movies, perhaps it was because of Kenneth Branagh's influence, and his experience with Shakespeare; he did the family conflict in Asgard quite well.

untog 8y ago

It seems like they've taken the usual formula and just stretched it out over two movies. Most superhero movies have a moment where our hero is down, and all hope looks lost... only to bring it all back from the brink. So, part two it is. I've come to accept the Marvel movies on the basis that they're a giant subsidy program for the industry at large. Talented actors and directors can phone it in and make huge salaries, which enables them to choose an interesting, low budget project next. I'd still rather those low budget movies got even a tenth of the budget that the average Marvel movie does, but oh well.

Sahbak 8y ago
The hero's journey is the reason I find it so hard to care about anything that happens in Marvel and most fantasy films. Knowing what comes next (Oh look, here is the part where Thor/Black Panther/Spiderman/etc loses his power) really kills my interest in the plot.

krapp 8y ago

One argument I've seen explaining why Infinity War works is that Thanos isn't really the antagonist, but the protagonist. Also, considering what happened in the Infinity War arc in the comics, I don't think they could have done otherwise.

Nasrudith 8y ago

The Infinity Gauntlet sounds like the start of an ancient writing unraveling under weight of continuity and past easy fixes to writing oneself into the corner since it not only allows retcons but in character which makes nothing really matter. A literal plot device. Captain America is dead and/or a nazi? Someone go punch Red Skull. Okay you reversed it without ending world hunger, disease or preventing the Holocaust? Our hero sure is an asshole. Fundamentally if all major conflicts don't revolve around it they are either completely out of its reach or being stupid.