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Sick of this shit quite frankly. Western nations need to grow some balls and start to resist this narrative. I was extremely pleased when Trump acknowledged Tai

Sick of this shit quite frankly. Western nations need to grow some balls and start to resist this narrative. I was extremely pleased when Trump acknowledged Taiwanese congratulations. This was the right thing to do, and I was appalled when many criticised him for this. China is one of the most illiberal up and comers on the world stage.

powerapple 8y ago
Taiwan (or Republic of China) had chance to be separated from China before People's Republic of China took the China seat in UN. The government refused to change to Taiwan because both the government and people consider ROC as the China. Of course opinion and education changed especially young people's opinion, but legally Taiwan is still Republic of China unless they change their constitution. And their constitution claims whole China and Mongolia as their land. China of course, legally required to see Palau as illegal in order not to lose claim on Taiwan. At least it is not putting sanction to every country and company does business with Taiwan. There is nothing wrong with it. Similar to Cuba and Iran with US.
- Freak_NL 8y ago
  > There is nothing wrong with it. You are either mainland Chinese, cruel, or woefully uninformed (or all of the former). Taiwan is not some rogue state with dubious alliances — like Cuba could be considered in the previous century — it is a democratic nation with a healthy economy and all the trappings of a modern nation-state; except for the official recognition which it can't get due to China's (the People's Republic (PRC) that is) bullying on the world stage. The PRC does what it does because it can get away with it. That's a basic Realist attitude that works for them. The PRC won't likely release their claim on Taiwan any time soon, because of its economic/military aspirations in the South China Sea (cf. their dubious claims on the Paracel and Spratly Islands). The rest of the world won't upset the balance because of China's economic importance. It could if it wanted to, but that would require the US and the EU to present a common front on the issue (not very likely right now).
- SuperNinKenDo 8y ago
  The conduct you refer to has little to do with the current political system at work in Taiwan. It is the legacy of a previous military dictatorship that has only a historical connection with the current system, and is a stance at odds with the current administration of Taiwan, elected by the Taiwanese people, with an openly pro-Taiwanese identity platform. The main reason Taiwan hasn't already renounced the claims you complain about at this point is that to do so could potentially enrage the PRC into military action against them at this point. You're clearly a mainlander. You have the classic chip on your shoulder about past conduct which mainlanders always use to excuse the awful behaviour of their own regime. I always find it ironic how much anti-Imperialist dogma spills out of people from a country that justifies expansionism on the grounds of even the most fleeting 'Chinese' imperial dynastic possession.

powerapple 8y ago

Taiwan (or Republic of China) had chance to be separated from China before People's Republic of China took the China seat in UN. The government refused to change to Taiwan because both the government and people consider ROC as the China. Of course opinion and education changed especially young people's opinion, but legally Taiwan is still Republic of China unless they change their constitution. And their constitution claims whole China and Mongolia as their land. China of course, legally required to see Palau as illegal in order not to lose claim on Taiwan. At least it is not putting sanction to every country and company does business with Taiwan. There is nothing wrong with it. Similar to Cuba and Iran with US.

Freak_NL 8y ago
> There is nothing wrong with it. You are either mainland Chinese, cruel, or woefully uninformed (or all of the former). Taiwan is not some rogue state with dubious alliances — like Cuba could be considered in the previous century — it is a democratic nation with a healthy economy and all the trappings of a modern nation-state; except for the official recognition which it can't get due to China's (the People's Republic (PRC) that is) bullying on the world stage. The PRC does what it does because it can get away with it. That's a basic Realist attitude that works for them. The PRC won't likely release their claim on Taiwan any time soon, because of its economic/military aspirations in the South China Sea (cf. their dubious claims on the Paracel and Spratly Islands). The rest of the world won't upset the balance because of China's economic importance. It could if it wanted to, but that would require the US and the EU to present a common front on the issue (not very likely right now).
SuperNinKenDo 8y ago
The conduct you refer to has little to do with the current political system at work in Taiwan. It is the legacy of a previous military dictatorship that has only a historical connection with the current system, and is a stance at odds with the current administration of Taiwan, elected by the Taiwanese people, with an openly pro-Taiwanese identity platform. The main reason Taiwan hasn't already renounced the claims you complain about at this point is that to do so could potentially enrage the PRC into military action against them at this point. You're clearly a mainlander. You have the classic chip on your shoulder about past conduct which mainlanders always use to excuse the awful behaviour of their own regime. I always find it ironic how much anti-Imperialist dogma spills out of people from a country that justifies expansionism on the grounds of even the most fleeting 'Chinese' imperial dynastic possession.