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Not modern adulthood, but electronic dance culture in the 1990s probably (from my point of view) was possibly close. Of course, I really don't know the early pu

Not modern adulthood, but electronic dance culture in the 1990s probably (from my point of view) was possibly close. Of course, I really don't know the early punk scene firsthand, which I heard was way more DIY in say the early 1980s, kind of like what you are talking about, vs when I played in a punk band in the 2000s (this is the impression I get when I talked to some guys who were in relatively known local bands in the 1980s). I also don't know mmuch about the 1960s hippie culture firsthand, of course. But my "impression" of the 1990s rave scene was that indeed it was in between the punk ethos (DIY, warehouse takeovers, some aggressive music styles like gabber/hardcore) and the hippie ethos (bohemian, some psychedelic influence, etc.) At any rate you did get that sense of "for the scene" with the rave community, something that is indeed special when you can find it. For all I know there are some scenes similar to that still, but it's hard to keep up with this sort of thing -- it's hard to reconcile a late-hours youth culture with responsible 9-5 job culture. :( It would be interesting to know for sure what has taken its place.

bfuller 8y ago
>t's hard to reconcile a late-hours youth culture with responsible 9-5 job culture I'm a founder at a startup trying to address this problem.
- skrebbel 8y ago
  I'm a father of two and a startup founder. I like Detroit techno, and all relevant events _begin_ at 1 AM. The solution isn't a startup, the solution is techno parties that start at 9 PM.
  - liotier 8y ago
    > techno parties that start at 9 PM But then all the old people like us will show up...
    - skrebbel 8y ago
      Sounds like there is a target market right. The time that only young people like loud / hard / aggressive music has been over for quite a while :-)
  - jorvi 8y ago
    In The Netherlands some (not all, but a decent chunk) techno events have moved from a 21:00-07:00ish to a 12:00-01:00ish timetable. It works out quite lovely because one can attend without completely messing up their daily rhythm. And if you do like to burn the midnight oil there’s always the afterparty/ies :)
    - skrebbel 8y ago
      Yeah true! The one day dance festivals really got the message here. Those are lovely. But the clubs etc really don't (I'm in NL too). I wish all of Europe had English pub/club opening hours. I mean it's not like the English party (or drink) less than us here on the continent. They just start earlier. That makes a lot of sense! In hindsight I was jetlagged twice a week just by moving forward and back my biorhythm every weekend, during much of my youth. That was unhealthy and totally unnecessary if only party times were more sane.
      - samatman 8y ago
        The solution as a youth was the "Disco nap", but I find myself less capable of it now. If I go down at 7 pm on a Friday, it's for the count.
  - leetcrew 8y ago
    maybe my lameness is showing, but why do people do this? even as a teenager I was usually running out of steam and thinking about bed at that time. is it for people who work late shifts or are there superhumans out there pregaming all night for a 1 AM show? or do they not even start partying until 10/11 PM?
    - soundwave106 8y ago
      From an attendee perspective I do remember those all night events to be quite fun, so I suppose that's why people do this. :) Honestly when I was younger, I was able to handle odd hours easier (that, or my tolerance for being sleep-deprived and off-kilter has gone way down). It helped that I was naturally a bit of a night owl, and it also helped that much of when I did this was when I was in college (much more flexible scheduling during those times). Back then the fun was worth any sleep-dep. For others, some of it might indeed be helped by later work schedules as well -- a lot of service industry jobs for instance are not 9-5 and are more later shifts. On the other hand I do remember some talking about how little sleep they'd be getting before going into work, so... On the organization side, I guess some of the reasons for many raves starting so late is that historically they often were after hours style events, sometimes semi-improvised and unlicensed. There was no liquor license getting in the way of closing earlier, and there's enough people that do want to party all night that it makes sense to do so. (It's not just restricted to electronic dance, where it is allowed, there are standard bars that are open 24/7). I just chalk it up to a side effect of getting older. Even doing the standard dance club scene hours (which here often is a 10PM-2AMish scene, last call is 3AM here) would throw me off these days. (And I'm not even a parent, which I imagine cements your schedule even more!)
    - bfuller 8y ago
      drugs
  - bfuller 8y ago
    The solution is a startup and if you want to talk about what I'm working on I'd love to

bfuller 8y ago

>t's hard to reconcile a late-hours youth culture with responsible 9-5 job culture I'm a founder at a startup trying to address this problem.

skrebbel 8y ago
I'm a father of two and a startup founder. I like Detroit techno, and all relevant events _begin_ at 1 AM. The solution isn't a startup, the solution is techno parties that start at 9 PM.
- liotier 8y ago
  > techno parties that start at 9 PM But then all the old people like us will show up...
  - skrebbel 8y ago
    Sounds like there is a target market right. The time that only young people like loud / hard / aggressive music has been over for quite a while :-)
- jorvi 8y ago
  In The Netherlands some (not all, but a decent chunk) techno events have moved from a 21:00-07:00ish to a 12:00-01:00ish timetable. It works out quite lovely because one can attend without completely messing up their daily rhythm. And if you do like to burn the midnight oil there’s always the afterparty/ies :)
  - skrebbel 8y ago
    Yeah true! The one day dance festivals really got the message here. Those are lovely. But the clubs etc really don't (I'm in NL too). I wish all of Europe had English pub/club opening hours. I mean it's not like the English party (or drink) less than us here on the continent. They just start earlier. That makes a lot of sense! In hindsight I was jetlagged twice a week just by moving forward and back my biorhythm every weekend, during much of my youth. That was unhealthy and totally unnecessary if only party times were more sane.
    - samatman 8y ago
      The solution as a youth was the "Disco nap", but I find myself less capable of it now. If I go down at 7 pm on a Friday, it's for the count.
- leetcrew 8y ago
  maybe my lameness is showing, but why do people do this? even as a teenager I was usually running out of steam and thinking about bed at that time. is it for people who work late shifts or are there superhumans out there pregaming all night for a 1 AM show? or do they not even start partying until 10/11 PM?
  - soundwave106 8y ago
    From an attendee perspective I do remember those all night events to be quite fun, so I suppose that's why people do this. :) Honestly when I was younger, I was able to handle odd hours easier (that, or my tolerance for being sleep-deprived and off-kilter has gone way down). It helped that I was naturally a bit of a night owl, and it also helped that much of when I did this was when I was in college (much more flexible scheduling during those times). Back then the fun was worth any sleep-dep. For others, some of it might indeed be helped by later work schedules as well -- a lot of service industry jobs for instance are not 9-5 and are more later shifts. On the other hand I do remember some talking about how little sleep they'd be getting before going into work, so... On the organization side, I guess some of the reasons for many raves starting so late is that historically they often were after hours style events, sometimes semi-improvised and unlicensed. There was no liquor license getting in the way of closing earlier, and there's enough people that do want to party all night that it makes sense to do so. (It's not just restricted to electronic dance, where it is allowed, there are standard bars that are open 24/7). I just chalk it up to a side effect of getting older. Even doing the standard dance club scene hours (which here often is a 10PM-2AMish scene, last call is 3AM here) would throw me off these days. (And I'm not even a parent, which I imagine cements your schedule even more!)
  - bfuller 8y ago
    drugs
- bfuller 8y ago
  The solution is a startup and if you want to talk about what I'm working on I'd love to