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I'm trying to direct this conversation away from using logic and math to reason about interpersonal relationships. It's garbage. Math talks about math. Logic ta

I'm trying to direct this conversation away from using logic and math to reason about interpersonal relationships. It's garbage. Math talks about math. Logic talks about logic. This article conflates it with how people think about one another. They are calling an event that occurs twice a singular event. My mind, your mind, the same statement, understood and accepted twice, possibly at different points in time (which is obvious given the fact that I have to literally hit send on this message) but you may be thinking the same thoughts as I at the same time, mutually dependent because we are all idiots that think it's fine to use logic and math to describe all minds. It's not an RV when it comes to thoughts you choose to think! The RV is the thoughts you don't want to think.

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smadge 8y ago
The origin mask quote(“The conjunction of two events can’t be more likely than just one event by itself.”) was in the context of an experiment in which subjects were given a description of a person and they responded that it was more likely she was a “feminist bank-teller” than either just a feminist or just a bank-teller. Here the appeal to formal probability is justified because obviously there are more bank-tellers than feminist bank-tellers, and likewise more feminists than feminist bank tellers.
- s-shellfish 8y ago
  That's not the point of the article. The greater context is about the relation between an individual mind and other minds. Paraconsistent logic allows contradicting statements to be held without implying one must be true or the other. Why would there obviously be more feminist bank tellers than female bank tellers? What if there's a cultural connection that guides both decisions to be made together? Don't people aggregate personality details in clusters by choice in order to be accepted via conformity? Isn't that the principle recommendation engines operate on fundamentally?
  - losvedir 8y ago
    > Why would there obviously be more feminist bank tellers than female bank tellers? No! You still aren't paying attention and at this point I think you might be just trolling, but here's one more good faith response. To reiterate, the article brings up the interesting result that people think it's more likely that someone is a "feminist bank teller" than that she is a "bank teller". To be clear there are some number of bank tellers, and of them, some are feminist. There cannot be more people who are feminist and bank tellers than people who are simply bank tellers. The feminist ones are a subset of all bank tellers. So the probability that someone is both is less than or equal to the probability that someone is just a bank teller. If you know them well, and they go to marches and such and your ascertain that they are definitely feminist, then the probability that they are both is equal to (but not greater) than the probability that they're a bank teller.
    - s-shellfish 8y ago
      You are right for the tiny very specific example they are using. Honestly if I try to explain my reasoning, it's just a waste of energy at this point. Behavior, people, you can't predict it. You can't predict thoughts people have. Can't infer intent for why people use one pedantic example to illustrate a point over another.
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smadge 8y ago

The origin mask quote(“The conjunction of two events can’t be more likely than just one event by itself.”) was in the context of an experiment in which subjects were given a description of a person and they responded that it was more likely she was a “feminist bank-teller” than either just a feminist or just a bank-teller. Here the appeal to formal probability is justified because obviously there are more bank-tellers than feminist bank-tellers, and likewise more feminists than feminist bank tellers.

s-shellfish 8y ago
That's not the point of the article. The greater context is about the relation between an individual mind and other minds. Paraconsistent logic allows contradicting statements to be held without implying one must be true or the other. Why would there obviously be more feminist bank tellers than female bank tellers? What if there's a cultural connection that guides both decisions to be made together? Don't people aggregate personality details in clusters by choice in order to be accepted via conformity? Isn't that the principle recommendation engines operate on fundamentally?
- losvedir 8y ago
  > Why would there obviously be more feminist bank tellers than female bank tellers? No! You still aren't paying attention and at this point I think you might be just trolling, but here's one more good faith response. To reiterate, the article brings up the interesting result that people think it's more likely that someone is a "feminist bank teller" than that she is a "bank teller". To be clear there are some number of bank tellers, and of them, some are feminist. There cannot be more people who are feminist and bank tellers than people who are simply bank tellers. The feminist ones are a subset of all bank tellers. So the probability that someone is both is less than or equal to the probability that someone is just a bank teller. If you know them well, and they go to marches and such and your ascertain that they are definitely feminist, then the probability that they are both is equal to (but not greater) than the probability that they're a bank teller.
  - s-shellfish 8y ago
    You are right for the tiny very specific example they are using. Honestly if I try to explain my reasoning, it's just a waste of energy at this point. Behavior, people, you can't predict it. You can't predict thoughts people have. Can't infer intent for why people use one pedantic example to illustrate a point over another.
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