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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ideograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ideograph The only substantial difference I can think of to support not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ideograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ideograph The only substantial difference I can think of to support not having Unicode codepoint assignments for emoji is this: there is no calligraphy for emoji -- the vast majority of non-artist emoji users cannot write more than a handful of emoji with pen and paper. But soon we might find that most people cannot write with pen an paper in any script anyways. Cursive has already gone into the dustbin of history, whether we like it or not.

pvg 8y ago
I don't know why you picked the redirect rather than the actual title of the page. And the very first line is: "Kanji are the adopted logographic Chinese characters that are used in the Japanese writing system" These were already not-ideographs even when they originally made their way to Japan.
- cryptonector 8y ago
  > Shiji (Mandarin: zhǐshì) characters are ideographs, often called "simple ideographs" or "simple indicatives" to distinguish them and tell the difference from compound ideographs (below). They are usually simple graphically and represent an abstract concept such as 上 "up" or "above" and 下 "down" or "below". These make up a tiny fraction of modern characters. EDIT: It seems to me that you're arguing that Han are not ideographs, but here's a definition of the word from wikipedia: > An ideogram or ideograph (from Greek ἰδέα idéa "idea" and γράφω gráphō "to write") is a graphic symbol that represents an idea or concept, independent of any particular language, and specific words or phrases. Some ideograms are comprehensible only by familiarity with prior convention; others convey their meaning through pictorial resemblance to a physical object, and thus may also be referred to as pictograms. Now, Han are independent of language, being used to write multiple rather different languages (Mandarin, Cantonese, Taiwanese, Japanese), and they do represent ideas or concepts. They do also get used for only the sounds of the spoken words (in each language) for the same ideas/concepts, in which case they may mean very different words altogether. And they get used in combinations that aren't ideographic themselves, but none of that makes Han not-ideographic in origin and character.
  - pvg 8y ago
    I'm not sure pasting longer bits of wikipedia that say the opposite of what you said are going to convince me. The whole notion that 'X is just Y but with more time' is itself pretty silly. The Lascaux cave paintings are still pictures and not literature after 17,000 years. The writing system we use to type at each other is ideographic in origin. It just changed to something that very much isn't, just like all common modern writing systems.

pvg 8y ago

I don't know why you picked the redirect rather than the actual title of the page. And the very first line is: "Kanji are the adopted logographic Chinese characters that are used in the Japanese writing system" These were already not-ideographs even when they originally made their way to Japan.

cryptonector 8y ago
> Shiji (Mandarin: zhǐshì) characters are ideographs, often called "simple ideographs" or "simple indicatives" to distinguish them and tell the difference from compound ideographs (below). They are usually simple graphically and represent an abstract concept such as 上 "up" or "above" and 下 "down" or "below". These make up a tiny fraction of modern characters. EDIT: It seems to me that you're arguing that Han are not ideographs, but here's a definition of the word from wikipedia: > An ideogram or ideograph (from Greek ἰδέα idéa "idea" and γράφω gráphō "to write") is a graphic symbol that represents an idea or concept, independent of any particular language, and specific words or phrases. Some ideograms are comprehensible only by familiarity with prior convention; others convey their meaning through pictorial resemblance to a physical object, and thus may also be referred to as pictograms. Now, Han are independent of language, being used to write multiple rather different languages (Mandarin, Cantonese, Taiwanese, Japanese), and they do represent ideas or concepts. They do also get used for only the sounds of the spoken words (in each language) for the same ideas/concepts, in which case they may mean very different words altogether. And they get used in combinations that aren't ideographic themselves, but none of that makes Han not-ideographic in origin and character.
- pvg 8y ago
  I'm not sure pasting longer bits of wikipedia that say the opposite of what you said are going to convince me. The whole notion that 'X is just Y but with more time' is itself pretty silly. The Lascaux cave paintings are still pictures and not literature after 17,000 years. The writing system we use to type at each other is ideographic in origin. It just changed to something that very much isn't, just like all common modern writing systems.