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The key difference at that time was that Microsoft had zero real competition and was stifling innovation in the OS and web space. Instead today Android is the o

The key difference at that time was that Microsoft had zero real competition and was stifling innovation in the OS and web space. Instead today Android is the only alternative to the most proprietary and richest company in the history of computing, which needs no legal remedies or special favors.

kerng 8y ago
Android has something like 85-90% marketshare - not different then Windows back in the day. Google bundling their Search with it is just pushing their own agenda.
- cageface 8y ago
  Yet still most people develop for iOS first and then later port to Android, if at all. It's really not a comparable situation at all.
  - datalist 8y ago
    That was true about seven to ten years ago.
    - cageface 8y ago
      Absolutely still true today. If you think otherwise you are clearly not in the business of developing mobile apps. Ten years ago native mobile apps were barely even a thing. Take the HQ app for just one recent high profile app out of countless other examples.
      - datalist 8y ago
        Absolutely not true today and I am in that business. The number of companies which are iOS-only or even iOS-first is negligible these days. In most cases both platforms are supported, often with Android having a head start.
        cageface 8y ago
        I’ve been developing mobile apps professionally for 8 years. Clients want and care about iOS first. Android gets kicked down the road and outsourced to a third party every time. The only thing that’s changed is that people realize they need an android version eventually, instead of just ignoring it completely. Maybe it’s different in some other markets but this is simply irrefutable in the USA and anybody trying to argue otherwise is just being disingenuous.
        datalist 8y ago
        Eight years ago I'd agree with you, probably even five-ish, but for the past two, three years there is virtually no difference anymore and Android is usually the priority, except for some designer firms who still live in their Apple bubble. For the US market it might be different, as it is one of the few markets where Apple is still the clear leader.
        cageface 8y ago
        iOS rules the USA startup market, which is still where most of the money and energy is globally. Believe me I’d prefer that this were not the case.
        datalist 8y ago
        I am not arguing iOS'es market share in the US, I am saying it is of faaaaaaaaar less relevance outside the US.
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        sweeds 8y ago
        Both of you are insisting your own experience is more correct, without any imperical evidence or empathy. Take a moment to step back and realize your perspective isn't the only one.
- kajecounterhack 8y ago
  > Android has something like 85-90% marketshare http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-stat... I was surprised by this figure, but it doesn't look true based on cursory google search?
  - Brakenshire 8y ago
    That’s for the US. Change the filter to Europe and you get 74% Android, which will go up towards 90% in some national markets.
    - datalist 8y ago
      No need to change to Europe. Worldwide is at 77% http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide/#monthly-201807-201807-bar http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide/#... Poland (#6 in the EU by population) is at 97% http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/poland/#monthly-201807-201807-bar http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/poland/#mon...
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  "85-90% marketshare" by devices, not by revenue and definitely not profit.
datalist 8y ago
Zero competition? OS/2, Linux, Apple, BeOS, etc. Stifling innovation? How? The "web space" didnt even really exist.
- cageface 8y ago
  The only one of those platforms that even kind of mattered on the desktop at the time was Apple and even they were way more niche than they were today. The web space certainly did matter and it was clear at the time it would come to matter a lot more if Microsoft wasn’t permitted to go on strangling it with IE and ActiveX.
  - datalist 8y ago
    And yet there was competition. It is similar to today, respectively we have even less choice, we have two platforms, out of which one is mostly a lifestyle company and has a minor market share of ~20%, whereas the second is dominating the market at ~80%
    - datalist 8y ago
      And no, the web barely mattered in the mid to late 90s. That was the time when it was still nice there ;)
      - cageface 8y ago
        That was the first dot com boom. Are you seriously trying to argue the web didn’t matter at that point? It was all about the web.
        datalist 8y ago
        The web was just slowly emerging at that point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage#/media/File:Internet_users_per_100_inhabitants_ITU.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage#/media/F... 15% vs 80% these days. And thats the "developed world", globally it was around 2%.

kerng 8y ago

Android has something like 85-90% marketshare - not different then Windows back in the day. Google bundling their Search with it is just pushing their own agenda.

cageface 8y ago
Yet still most people develop for iOS first and then later port to Android, if at all. It's really not a comparable situation at all.
- datalist 8y ago
  That was true about seven to ten years ago.
  - cageface 8y ago
    Absolutely still true today. If you think otherwise you are clearly not in the business of developing mobile apps. Ten years ago native mobile apps were barely even a thing. Take the HQ app for just one recent high profile app out of countless other examples.
    - datalist 8y ago
      Absolutely not true today and I am in that business. The number of companies which are iOS-only or even iOS-first is negligible these days. In most cases both platforms are supported, often with Android having a head start.
      - cageface 8y ago
        I’ve been developing mobile apps professionally for 8 years. Clients want and care about iOS first. Android gets kicked down the road and outsourced to a third party every time. The only thing that’s changed is that people realize they need an android version eventually, instead of just ignoring it completely. Maybe it’s different in some other markets but this is simply irrefutable in the USA and anybody trying to argue otherwise is just being disingenuous.
        datalist 8y ago
        Eight years ago I'd agree with you, probably even five-ish, but for the past two, three years there is virtually no difference anymore and Android is usually the priority, except for some designer firms who still live in their Apple bubble. For the US market it might be different, as it is one of the few markets where Apple is still the clear leader.
        cageface 8y ago
        iOS rules the USA startup market, which is still where most of the money and energy is globally. Believe me I’d prefer that this were not the case.
        datalist 8y ago
        I am not arguing iOS'es market share in the US, I am saying it is of faaaaaaaaar less relevance outside the US.
        deleted 8y ago
        [deleted]
        sweeds 8y ago
        Both of you are insisting your own experience is more correct, without any imperical evidence or empathy. Take a moment to step back and realize your perspective isn't the only one.
kajecounterhack 8y ago
> Android has something like 85-90% marketshare http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-stat... I was surprised by this figure, but it doesn't look true based on cursory google search?
- Brakenshire 8y ago
  That’s for the US. Change the filter to Europe and you get 74% Android, which will go up towards 90% in some national markets.
  - datalist 8y ago
    No need to change to Europe. Worldwide is at 77% http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide/#monthly-201807-201807-bar http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide/#... Poland (#6 in the EU by population) is at 97% http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/poland/#monthly-201807-201807-bar http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/poland/#mon...
sonnyblarney 8y ago
"85-90% marketshare" by devices, not by revenue and definitely not profit.

datalist 8y ago

Zero competition? OS/2, Linux, Apple, BeOS, etc. Stifling innovation? How? The "web space" didnt even really exist.

cageface 8y ago
The only one of those platforms that even kind of mattered on the desktop at the time was Apple and even they were way more niche than they were today. The web space certainly did matter and it was clear at the time it would come to matter a lot more if Microsoft wasn’t permitted to go on strangling it with IE and ActiveX.
- datalist 8y ago
  And yet there was competition. It is similar to today, respectively we have even less choice, we have two platforms, out of which one is mostly a lifestyle company and has a minor market share of ~20%, whereas the second is dominating the market at ~80%
  - datalist 8y ago
    And no, the web barely mattered in the mid to late 90s. That was the time when it was still nice there ;)
    - cageface 8y ago
      That was the first dot com boom. Are you seriously trying to argue the web didn’t matter at that point? It was all about the web.
      - datalist 8y ago
        The web was just slowly emerging at that point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage#/media/File:Internet_users_per_100_inhabitants_ITU.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage#/media/F... 15% vs 80% these days. And thats the "developed world", globally it was around 2%.