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So wait, does that make Apple fascists or communists? Wouldn't want to grab the wrong pitchfork.

by fhood 8y ago

snerbles 8y ago
It would more accurately be described as corporate-flavored collectivism. Of course, that doesn't make for a good ingredient in angry epithets.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  Frank Herbert once made the observation that corporate hierarchies were very similar to feudal hierarchies, just with milder consequences for disloyalty and failure. (The hierarchies within organized crime are even closer to the feudal ones, even including the feudal ceremonial trappings. This even works across cultures, where Japanese organized crime harkens back to feudal Japan and Italian/Sicilian organized crime harkens back to medieval and rennaissance Italy.) Along this line of thinking, corporate flavored collectivism should be structurally similar to Stalinist USSR, including the requirement for ideological conformity. However, the branding is likely to be far, far different. Corporations certainly have purges. Happens all the time after mergers.
imnotlost 8y ago
I think they meant authoritarian, they come in all political stripes
kanox 8y ago
Both, this is why the apple bite is shaped like a horseshoe.
fifnir 8y ago
"authoritarians"
ggg9990 8y ago
Fascists and communists are both animated by the same principle: that Papa knows best and must be obeyed.
gojomo 8y ago
In the prophetic taxonomy of the Dead Kennedys' California Über Alles (https://genius.com/Dead-kennedys-california-uber-alles-lyrics https://genius.com/Dead-kennedys-california-uber-alles-lyric...), they're 'Zen fascists': Zen fascists will control you 100% natural You will jog for the master race And always wear the happy face Though today, they'd be more "fleece/denim secret police".
paulddraper 8y ago
Fascism and communism are not complete opposites. Both are authoritarian political philosophies with a heavy handed approach to economic policies. Differences come in privatization, immigration, equality of rights, and religious toleration. [1] Both have extreme takes on ideas falling under the umbrella of socialist thought (hence, Germany's National Socialist Workers party). You can argue 1984 vs Brave New World, but there are certainly common themes. Both differ significantly from classical liberalism. [1] http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/ideology-politics/difference-between-socialism-and-fascism/ http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/ideo...
- stcredzero 8y ago
  A friend of mine also pointed out that they appear to have different attitudes towards hierarchy. At least, the Marxist derived authoritarians brand themselves as egalitarian -- though they usually go ahead and have hierarchy anyway, having it both ways. Fascists and Nazis also seem to emphasize community while extolling elites, great men, and meritocratic hierarchy -- also having it both ways. It's just that the branding is different.

So wait, does that make Apple fascists or communists? Wouldn't want to grab the wrong pitchfork.

by fhood 8y ago

So wait, does that make Apple fascists or communists? Wouldn't want to grab the wrong pitchfork.

It would more accurately be described as corporate-flavored collectivism. Of course, that doesn't make for a good ingredient in angry epithets.

stcredzero 8y ago
Frank Herbert once made the observation that corporate hierarchies were very similar to feudal hierarchies, just with milder consequences for disloyalty and failure. (The hierarchies within organized crime are even closer to the feudal ones, even including the feudal ceremonial trappings. This even works across cultures, where Japanese organized crime harkens back to feudal Japan and Italian/Sicilian organized crime harkens back to medieval and rennaissance Italy.) Along this line of thinking, corporate flavored collectivism should be structurally similar to Stalinist USSR, including the requirement for ideological conformity. However, the branding is likely to be far, far different. Corporations certainly have purges. Happens all the time after mergers.

imnotlost 8y ago

I think they meant authoritarian, they come in all political stripes

kanox 8y ago

Both, this is why the apple bite is shaped like a horseshoe.

fifnir 8y ago

"authoritarians"

ggg9990 8y ago

Fascists and communists are both animated by the same principle: that Papa knows best and must be obeyed.

gojomo 8y ago

In the prophetic taxonomy of the Dead Kennedys' California Über Alles (https://genius.com/Dead-kennedys-california-uber-alles-lyrics https://genius.com/Dead-kennedys-california-uber-alles-lyric...), they're 'Zen fascists': Zen fascists will control you 100% natural You will jog for the master race And always wear the happy face Though today, they'd be more "fleece/denim secret police".

paulddraper 8y ago

Fascism and communism are not complete opposites. Both are authoritarian political philosophies with a heavy handed approach to economic policies. Differences come in privatization, immigration, equality of rights, and religious toleration. [1] Both have extreme takes on ideas falling under the umbrella of socialist thought (hence, Germany's National Socialist Workers party). You can argue 1984 vs Brave New World, but there are certainly common themes. Both differ significantly from classical liberalism. [1] http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/ideology-politics/difference-between-socialism-and-fascism/ http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/politics/ideo...

stcredzero 8y ago
A friend of mine also pointed out that they appear to have different attitudes towards hierarchy. At least, the Marxist derived authoritarians brand themselves as egalitarian -- though they usually go ahead and have hierarchy anyway, having it both ways. Fascists and Nazis also seem to emphasize community while extolling elites, great men, and meritocratic hierarchy -- also having it both ways. It's just that the branding is different.