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Shovelware shouldn't be in the system partition, plain and simple. Its a bad industry practice, even on Laptops (which do let you delete the recovery partition

Shovelware shouldn't be in the system partition, plain and simple. Its a bad industry practice, even on Laptops (which do let you delete the recovery partition FYI).

vetinari 8y ago
On (unlocked) mobiles, you can re-partition the device and write /system image without the apps you don't want too. Few users will bother, just like few users will bother with deleting the recovery partitions on laptops.
- MrLeap 8y ago
  By request, I've done this for friends and family a few times. Few users bother because it's made arbitrarily difficult so as to seem dangerous to many non IT professionals. Sony has been getting more and more aggressive shoveling garbage down my throat via the playstation 4 funnel. I can't imagine ever giving them another dime as a result. Hopefully they'll keep going until they cross most people's line so the door can swing the other way.
  - vetinari 8y ago
    With the ARM platform, resizing the partitions comes with significant risk if something goes wrong. In the PC-land, the equivalent would be the potential of losing your BIOS/UEFI. Many people would then think twice about repartitioning. PC repartitioning only looks dangerous, because ordinary users are not aware where they put their data, and changing partitions and resizing filesystems is a nice way to loose at least some of them. I don't own PS4, so I cannot comment on that. I do own Xperia phone thought, and I'm satisfied with it.
- StudentStuff 8y ago
  Stateside, most phones ship with locked bootloaders. Most models never see their bootloader get unlocked, because all the development interest goes towards the flagship phones from Samsung and LG.
  - vetinari 8y ago
    The locked status and unlockability, is being done on request of carriers. Because they order thousands of pieces, they get to say what those pieces should do. If you do not agree, get your stuff elsewhere, the carriers will get the memo eventually. Yes, I know that you would have to pay the full price, and with carriers you don't have to, but then the locked status and customized firmware comes as a part of the price for the convenience.

Shovelware shouldn't be in the system partition, plain and simple. Its a bad industry practice, even on Laptops (which do let you delete the recovery partition FYI).

vetinari 8y ago

On (unlocked) mobiles, you can re-partition the device and write /system image without the apps you don't want too. Few users will bother, just like few users will bother with deleting the recovery partitions on laptops.

MrLeap 8y ago
By request, I've done this for friends and family a few times. Few users bother because it's made arbitrarily difficult so as to seem dangerous to many non IT professionals. Sony has been getting more and more aggressive shoveling garbage down my throat via the playstation 4 funnel. I can't imagine ever giving them another dime as a result. Hopefully they'll keep going until they cross most people's line so the door can swing the other way.
- vetinari 8y ago
  With the ARM platform, resizing the partitions comes with significant risk if something goes wrong. In the PC-land, the equivalent would be the potential of losing your BIOS/UEFI. Many people would then think twice about repartitioning. PC repartitioning only looks dangerous, because ordinary users are not aware where they put their data, and changing partitions and resizing filesystems is a nice way to loose at least some of them. I don't own PS4, so I cannot comment on that. I do own Xperia phone thought, and I'm satisfied with it.
StudentStuff 8y ago
Stateside, most phones ship with locked bootloaders. Most models never see their bootloader get unlocked, because all the development interest goes towards the flagship phones from Samsung and LG.
- vetinari 8y ago
  The locked status and unlockability, is being done on request of carriers. Because they order thousands of pieces, they get to say what those pieces should do. If you do not agree, get your stuff elsewhere, the carriers will get the memo eventually. Yes, I know that you would have to pay the full price, and with carriers you don't have to, but then the locked status and customized firmware comes as a part of the price for the convenience.