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You’re talking of the eternal tension between security and freedom. No, I don’t think that reducing choice and locking them in Google’s ecosystem is pro-consum

You’re talking of the eternal tension between security and freedom. No, I don’t think that reducing choice and locking them in Google’s ecosystem is pro-consumer, even if done for the right reasons. Let’s remember that Android was welcomed by many of us as a free (as in freedom) alternative to iOS. If you want a locked-down, secure and polished OS, then Apple’s iOS is far better at this game. The only reason why Android is dominating the market right now is because it gave freedom to users and freedom to phone makers. And Google dialing that freedom down after becoming so popular is anti-competitive. It’s essentially a bait and switch, which is why I believe Google deserves that fine.

kajecounterhack 8y ago
> It’s essentially a bait and switch, which is why I believe Google deserves that fine. Seems like you're projecting your own expectations onto what Google has really been selling all along. Google doesn't advertise Android as "free as in freedom." OEMs comply with their conditions. It's how it works.
- bad_user 8y ago
  No, that was Android’s marketing from day 1 and as far as OEMs go, Google’s conditions have evolved, along with what they are shoving down on their users’ throats. And as far as “free as in freedom” goes, the US law agrees with me via “estoppel”.
  - kajecounterhack 8y ago
    Open doesn't mean the same thing as free. Estoppel does not help that "free as in freedom" was never true.
- GeekyBear 8y ago
  >you're projecting your own expectations onto what Google has really been selling Andy Rubin in 2010 speaking on how open Android is: >the definition of open: "mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make" https://twitter.com/Arubin/status/27808662429 https://twitter.com/Arubin/status/27808662429
  - kajecounterhack 8y ago
    Open doesn't mean the same thing as free.
bighi 8y ago
> The only reason why Android is dominating the market right now is because it gave freedom to users and freedom to phone makers I would say that the biggest reason it's dominating is because it's cheap. For most people I've talked to, they don't like Android, but prefer to pay 20% of the cost of an iPhone.

kajecounterhack 8y ago

> It’s essentially a bait and switch, which is why I believe Google deserves that fine. Seems like you're projecting your own expectations onto what Google has really been selling all along. Google doesn't advertise Android as "free as in freedom." OEMs comply with their conditions. It's how it works.

bad_user 8y ago
No, that was Android’s marketing from day 1 and as far as OEMs go, Google’s conditions have evolved, along with what they are shoving down on their users’ throats. And as far as “free as in freedom” goes, the US law agrees with me via “estoppel”.
- kajecounterhack 8y ago
  Open doesn't mean the same thing as free. Estoppel does not help that "free as in freedom" was never true.
GeekyBear 8y ago
>you're projecting your own expectations onto what Google has really been selling Andy Rubin in 2010 speaking on how open Android is: >the definition of open: "mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make" https://twitter.com/Arubin/status/27808662429 https://twitter.com/Arubin/status/27808662429
- kajecounterhack 8y ago
  Open doesn't mean the same thing as free.

bighi 8y ago

> The only reason why Android is dominating the market right now is because it gave freedom to users and freedom to phone makers I would say that the biggest reason it's dominating is because it's cheap. For most people I've talked to, they don't like Android, but prefer to pay 20% of the cost of an iPhone.