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Also, Apple has like 15% market share in the EU. If anything, it's the FTC that may want to start looking for an anti-trust case against Apple soon, which I thi

by mtgx 8y ago

Also, Apple has like 15% market share in the EU. If anything, it's the FTC that may want to start looking for an anti-trust case against Apple soon, which I think has around 50% market share in the US. Apple already does many things that could be considered "abusive behavior". They just "don't count" as much right now because you can't argue it has a "dominant position" in smartphones in the US. iOS and Android have about 50-50. When Apple starts reaching 60-70%, however, that antitrust case could (and should) be made.

simion314 8y ago
Agree, I would also would like EU and USA to stop the big companies buying the competition, like FB buying WhatsApp or Google buying YouTube, this makes impossible for competitors to appear when you consider the huge budget advantage of the big companies.
- drivingmenuts 8y ago
  To an extent, that buying of companies is what keeps them in business. The current model of creating a company without a long-term plan for survival turns them into a money-sink and their only hope for survival is to be bought by a company with deep-pockets who needs a loss-leader. YouTube, WhatsApp, Reddit - all examples of services that would have disappeared or rotted away if they hadn't been swallowed up.
  - simion314 8y ago
    I am not sure why WhatApp or Reddit would disappear, don't we have so many IRC and mailing lists that are still running, you do not need a crazy amount of servers and developers to keep things running. I am not sure about YouTube, it would have survive in a fair competition, the problem is competing with giants that play in many markets is not fair
    - drivingmenuts 8y ago
      IRC and mailing lists are more pro-sumer oriented than the average app. They survive despite the app market, rather than because of it. They also aren't particularly profitable, except in limited circumstances. Apps are more clearly aimed at the consumer, ie., people who aren't going to get into the technical details of connecting to a particular service and learning the commands. I doubt we'd have the overwhelming plethora of services if the app market hadn't been created.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    Then maybe we should let those companies go under. Someone else will come along and iterate on that idea, and given the benefit of seeing what happened before, they'll be in a better position to make themselves profitable.

by mtgx 8y ago

simion314 8y ago

Agree, I would also would like EU and USA to stop the big companies buying the competition, like FB buying WhatsApp or Google buying YouTube, this makes impossible for competitors to appear when you consider the huge budget advantage of the big companies.

drivingmenuts 8y ago
To an extent, that buying of companies is what keeps them in business. The current model of creating a company without a long-term plan for survival turns them into a money-sink and their only hope for survival is to be bought by a company with deep-pockets who needs a loss-leader. YouTube, WhatsApp, Reddit - all examples of services that would have disappeared or rotted away if they hadn't been swallowed up.
- simion314 8y ago
  I am not sure why WhatApp or Reddit would disappear, don't we have so many IRC and mailing lists that are still running, you do not need a crazy amount of servers and developers to keep things running. I am not sure about YouTube, it would have survive in a fair competition, the problem is competing with giants that play in many markets is not fair
  - drivingmenuts 8y ago
    IRC and mailing lists are more pro-sumer oriented than the average app. They survive despite the app market, rather than because of it. They also aren't particularly profitable, except in limited circumstances. Apps are more clearly aimed at the consumer, ie., people who aren't going to get into the technical details of connecting to a particular service and learning the commands. I doubt we'd have the overwhelming plethora of services if the app market hadn't been created.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  Then maybe we should let those companies go under. Someone else will come along and iterate on that idea, and given the benefit of seeing what happened before, they'll be in a better position to make themselves profitable.