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>And if we just go around clubbing everything coarsely, why does my BMW have a BMW entertainment system Because BMW don't have market dominance in either the c

>And if we just go around clubbing everything coarsely, why does my BMW have a BMW entertainment system Because BMW don't have market dominance in either the car industry or the entertainment system industry. If they used dominance in one to affect the other, they would be in breach of that legislation. >This is absolutely not at all clear cut. It is incredibly nuanced So how do you explain Google's non-compliance when explicitly and clearly informed that they were in breach over two years ago?

Ajedi32 8y ago
So it's only against the law once the company becomes big enough? If, for example, BMW _did_ become an extremely successful car manufacturer to the point where they were capturing >80% of the market, would they suddenly no longer be allowed to bundle their own entertainment system with their cars?
- eastendguy 8y ago
  Exactly. That is the whole point of anti-monopoly laws.
- stopshadowbans 8y ago
  Yes? When you’re in a dominant position in a market you’re subjected to a different set of rules. This is to help keep even a captured market competitive.
- orf 8y ago
  No, they would be able to bundle their own entertainment system with their cars, but they would not be able to force anyone else who wants to use their engines in their cars to bundle the entertainment system as well, as a contractual precondition to be able to use those engines. Of course the size of the company and the market dominance comes into play here. It's not a monopoly if people can go elsewhere to get their engines, it is if there is only one realistic choice of supplier (Android).
- the_watcher 8y ago
  I don't love this ruling (and I probably disagree with it, but I haven't read the whole decision or the laws in question yet, and as an American, am not 100% clear on EU precedent so I'm somewhat withholding judgment), but yes, in most cases, anti-monopoly laws only apply when a company becomes large enough. In the US, it's actually explicit - monopolies can actually only exist if they are using their status to impact pricing/consumer choice, which necessitates size.
- pertymcpert 8y ago
  Yes, this is how the law works. You surprised?
- lagadu 8y ago
  > So it's only against the law once the company becomes big enough? Yes, that's exactly what monopoly abuse laws are for.

Ajedi32 8y ago

So it's only against the law once the company becomes big enough? If, for example, BMW _did_ become an extremely successful car manufacturer to the point where they were capturing >80% of the market, would they suddenly no longer be allowed to bundle their own entertainment system with their cars?

eastendguy 8y ago
Exactly. That is the whole point of anti-monopoly laws.
stopshadowbans 8y ago
Yes? When you’re in a dominant position in a market you’re subjected to a different set of rules. This is to help keep even a captured market competitive.
orf 8y ago
No, they would be able to bundle their own entertainment system with their cars, but they would not be able to force anyone else who wants to use their engines in their cars to bundle the entertainment system as well, as a contractual precondition to be able to use those engines. Of course the size of the company and the market dominance comes into play here. It's not a monopoly if people can go elsewhere to get their engines, it is if there is only one realistic choice of supplier (Android).
the_watcher 8y ago
I don't love this ruling (and I probably disagree with it, but I haven't read the whole decision or the laws in question yet, and as an American, am not 100% clear on EU precedent so I'm somewhat withholding judgment), but yes, in most cases, anti-monopoly laws only apply when a company becomes large enough. In the US, it's actually explicit - monopolies can actually only exist if they are using their status to impact pricing/consumer choice, which necessitates size.
pertymcpert 8y ago
Yes, this is how the law works. You surprised?
lagadu 8y ago
> So it's only against the law once the company becomes big enough? Yes, that's exactly what monopoly abuse laws are for.