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I have plenty of experience with all kinds of psychedelics and don't think they should be available in your local corner store. Hard to explain why. I like to

by stef25 8y ago

I have plenty of experience with all kinds of psychedelics and don't think they should be available in your local corner store. Hard to explain why. I like to think I have a higher than average understanding about them and they've still dragged me through hell on one or two occasions. Holland already did this experiment since you used to be able to buy mushrooms over the counter. Quite a few tourists lost their minds or worse. Nobody should ever face legal consequences for personal use of any drug but they should remain hard to find. Anyway everyone knows you don't find acid, acid finds you.

philbarr 8y ago
> Anyway everyone knows you don't find acid, acid finds you. What does that mean?
- Hendrikto 8y ago
  Absolutely nothing. Like the rest of what he said.
- kimdotcom 8y ago
  It is difficult to obtain, and usually somebody offers it to you when you are not expecting it.
- ada1981 8y ago
  There is a commonly held belief in the Psychedelics community that when you are “ready” the molecule will present itself. Ie, you decide you’d like to trip at the Phish show and the old man next to you offers you mushrooms, unsolicited, after you haven’t been offered mushrooms for 50 shows. That type of thing. Also interesting to note that LSD & MDMA have similar origin stories. They were both previously synthesized and catagorized as unuseful and then interesting characters had a flash of insight to resynthesize them after decades of being dormant.
crypt1d 8y ago
> Hard to explain why. I like to think I have a higher than average understanding about them and they've still dragged me through hell on one or two occasions. That's the thing, you just like to think that. Yet, you offer no evidence to back your claim, or your expertise in the matter. At best, your evidence is anecdotal (so far) and cannot be used in a more general discussion about psychedelics.
- stef25 8y ago
  After experimenting with psychedelics in my late teens (mid 90s) I wanted to know more and got a Bsc in Neuroscience from Manchester University. My thesis was on how research in psychedelics can help us learn more about schizophrenia (I wasn't interested in any of prescribed topics so my lecturer said I could do whatever but it would have to be without guidance). Scientific knowledge won't help much in the way of steering clear of a bad trip. It's more about common sense (set / setting, dosage) and knowing yourself and your own mind.
  - crypt1d 8y ago
    Thank you for clarifying that, now I have a better understanding of where you are coming from. My question to you is, do you think psychedelics should be more controlled than alcohol? Given how intoxication by alcohol can cause as much social harm as a bad trip. I'm also wondering if we can create a set of metrics, free from anecdotal evidence and any political context, by which we can use to categorize different drugs (alcohol included) based on social harm, self harm, long lasting damage, etc. and then use this to define which of those we ban/regulate/decriminalize etc. I know that may sound a bit naive, but using a pure scientific approach to this could give us quite different results than the current state of things, where some of the most dangerous substances are legal because there's a lobby behind them. The only thing I found similar to this is this assessment referenced on the LSD wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#/media/File:Rational_harm_assessment_of_drugs_radar_plot.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#/me...
    - stef25 8y ago
gepi79 8y ago
Thanks for the comment. Such cautioning comments by someone sane with experience are very important. I am in favor of legalization to reduce legal, financial and social problems and not because drugs (including psychedelics including cannabis) are harmless.

by stef25 8y ago

philbarr 8y ago

> Anyway everyone knows you don't find acid, acid finds you. What does that mean?

Hendrikto 8y ago
Absolutely nothing. Like the rest of what he said.
kimdotcom 8y ago
It is difficult to obtain, and usually somebody offers it to you when you are not expecting it.
ada1981 8y ago
There is a commonly held belief in the Psychedelics community that when you are “ready” the molecule will present itself. Ie, you decide you’d like to trip at the Phish show and the old man next to you offers you mushrooms, unsolicited, after you haven’t been offered mushrooms for 50 shows. That type of thing. Also interesting to note that LSD & MDMA have similar origin stories. They were both previously synthesized and catagorized as unuseful and then interesting characters had a flash of insight to resynthesize them after decades of being dormant.

crypt1d 8y ago

> Hard to explain why. I like to think I have a higher than average understanding about them and they've still dragged me through hell on one or two occasions. That's the thing, you just like to think that. Yet, you offer no evidence to back your claim, or your expertise in the matter. At best, your evidence is anecdotal (so far) and cannot be used in a more general discussion about psychedelics.

stef25 8y ago
After experimenting with psychedelics in my late teens (mid 90s) I wanted to know more and got a Bsc in Neuroscience from Manchester University. My thesis was on how research in psychedelics can help us learn more about schizophrenia (I wasn't interested in any of prescribed topics so my lecturer said I could do whatever but it would have to be without guidance). Scientific knowledge won't help much in the way of steering clear of a bad trip. It's more about common sense (set / setting, dosage) and knowing yourself and your own mind.
- crypt1d 8y ago
  Thank you for clarifying that, now I have a better understanding of where you are coming from. My question to you is, do you think psychedelics should be more controlled than alcohol? Given how intoxication by alcohol can cause as much social harm as a bad trip. I'm also wondering if we can create a set of metrics, free from anecdotal evidence and any political context, by which we can use to categorize different drugs (alcohol included) based on social harm, self harm, long lasting damage, etc. and then use this to define which of those we ban/regulate/decriminalize etc. I know that may sound a bit naive, but using a pure scientific approach to this could give us quite different results than the current state of things, where some of the most dangerous substances are legal because there's a lobby behind them. The only thing I found similar to this is this assessment referenced on the LSD wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#/media/File:Rational_harm_assessment_of_drugs_radar_plot.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#/me...
  - stef25 8y ago

gepi79 8y ago

Thanks for the comment. Such cautioning comments by someone sane with experience are very important. I am in favor of legalization to reduce legal, financial and social problems and not because drugs (including psychedelics including cannabis) are harmless.