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>it's a very silly and awkward process to find a tech person, make the meeting, wait for the meeting, show up to the meeting, tell them your issue and the solut

>it's a very silly and awkward process to find a tech person, make the meeting, wait for the meeting, show up to the meeting, tell them your issue and the solution for it is [solution], let them examine your problem until they agree with your "diagnosis" of [problem], and let them recommend and prescribe [solution]. It makes you feel sorry for the tech person almost. There is a reason why we have specialists. Yes, you could be your own lawyer, doctor and engineer but there are very good reasons they exist: to make sure you aren't doing dumb things they know better.

shub 8y ago
One can represent themselves. It might be dumb, but people should have the right to be dumb when they're the only ones getting hurt. That's why I have no problem with engineering requirements: when a bridge, airplane, whatever falls down and goes boom, it's not only the owner who's affected. I'm an adult. It's legal for me to buy and drink bleach. It would be very stupid of me to do that, but I can. I should be able to do the same with prescription drugs, if I want to. Yes, including eating a whole bottle of warfarin and dying messily. It's my body and my life, not yours.
- barftransit 8y ago
  Yes, and when you're left alive and disabled you should have the right to become a ward of the state.
  - EdSharkey 8y ago
    > It's my body and my life, not yours. I suspect @shub would disagree.
- 394549 8y ago
  > One can represent themselves. It might be dumb, but people should have the right to be dumb when they're the only ones getting hurt... The difference is there isn't a massive industry that will try to persuade consumers to do something as dumb as choosing to represent themselves pro se. There's no way for others to profit off that kind of stupidity. On the other hand, the drug industry already advertises to consumers heavily to convince them to take prescription medication that they may very well not need. That kind of consumer stupidity can be very profitable, so the vultures will descend from the heavens to persuade people that the dumb choice is really the best one for them.
  - toast0 8y ago
    > The difference is there isn't a massive industry that will try to persuade consumers to do something as dumb as choosing to represent themselves pro se. There's no way for others to profit off that kind of stupidity. Wouldn't you like to attend my seminar on the importance of representing yourself? Also, check out my book. And follow me on Twitter.
    - 394549 8y ago
      > Wouldn't you like to attend my seminar on the importance of representing yourself? Also, check out my book. And follow me on Twitter. That doesn't happen, or at least it doesn't happen at anything close to the scale of prescription drug advertising. Also, representing yourself pro se is a daunting, complicated endeavor. Buying a pill is not if you have the money, as you can clearly see with the supplement industry.
- svrtknst 8y ago
  I'm willing to bet that very few people accidentally consume bleach or warfarin under the belief that it is beneficial. However, it's far more likely that a layman gains cursory information about a drug and its effects, while lacking the specialized knowledge required to safely prescribe it. In short, it's far easier to accidentally poison yourself with prescription medication that it is with bleach, and we have measures in place to prevent such accidents for a reason.
  - u801e 8y ago
    > I'm willing to bet that very few people accidentally consume bleach or warfarin under the belief that it is beneficial. I believe that a number of children and adolescents tried to consume Tide detergent pods. [1] [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/11/tide-pod-challenge-teens-eating-detergent-pods-and-posting-videos-online/1023583001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/11/ti...
  - wu-ikkyu 8y ago
    Isn't that what the directions that are on every bottle are for?
  - tengbretson 8y ago
    What exactly do you think constitutes an "accident"? Have you ever accidentally purchased a drug that required an over-the-counter interaction and consumed it?
- javadocmd 8y ago
  The average adult can be quickly and reliably trained to use bleach appropriately: "Should I drink bleach? No. Always no." On the other hand, the average adult requires six or more years of education and training to manage warfarin appropriately. I'm being somewhat glib for effect, but do you not see a critical distinction there? In the interest of public health, we make all kinds of laws to protect people from things they cannot be expected to do safely. Why is it unreasonable to protect people from dangerous medications?
mrfusion 8y ago
But medicine is dealing with your own body and I would argue that you’re the world expert on your own body.
- Analemma_ 8y ago
  This is the kind of logic that has brought us the plague of “As a mom, I know what’s best for my kids’ health and that’s why I’m not getting them vaccinated.” Despite what a charming mantra it sounds like, people are not automatically experts on themselves any more than on any other subject.
rdiddly 8y ago
Far from being just for those trying to self-medicate, this process also applies to anyone who's been diagnosed by another doctor, but happened to move, or can't get their records for whatever reason, or whose new doctor insists on a full work-up regardless because they're not comfortable skipping it.

shub 8y ago

One can represent themselves. It might be dumb, but people should have the right to be dumb when they're the only ones getting hurt. That's why I have no problem with engineering requirements: when a bridge, airplane, whatever falls down and goes boom, it's not only the owner who's affected. I'm an adult. It's legal for me to buy and drink bleach. It would be very stupid of me to do that, but I can. I should be able to do the same with prescription drugs, if I want to. Yes, including eating a whole bottle of warfarin and dying messily. It's my body and my life, not yours.

barftransit 8y ago
Yes, and when you're left alive and disabled you should have the right to become a ward of the state.
- EdSharkey 8y ago
  > It's my body and my life, not yours. I suspect @shub would disagree.
394549 8y ago
> One can represent themselves. It might be dumb, but people should have the right to be dumb when they're the only ones getting hurt... The difference is there isn't a massive industry that will try to persuade consumers to do something as dumb as choosing to represent themselves pro se. There's no way for others to profit off that kind of stupidity. On the other hand, the drug industry already advertises to consumers heavily to convince them to take prescription medication that they may very well not need. That kind of consumer stupidity can be very profitable, so the vultures will descend from the heavens to persuade people that the dumb choice is really the best one for them.
- toast0 8y ago
  > The difference is there isn't a massive industry that will try to persuade consumers to do something as dumb as choosing to represent themselves pro se. There's no way for others to profit off that kind of stupidity. Wouldn't you like to attend my seminar on the importance of representing yourself? Also, check out my book. And follow me on Twitter.
  - 394549 8y ago
    > Wouldn't you like to attend my seminar on the importance of representing yourself? Also, check out my book. And follow me on Twitter. That doesn't happen, or at least it doesn't happen at anything close to the scale of prescription drug advertising. Also, representing yourself pro se is a daunting, complicated endeavor. Buying a pill is not if you have the money, as you can clearly see with the supplement industry.
svrtknst 8y ago
I'm willing to bet that very few people accidentally consume bleach or warfarin under the belief that it is beneficial. However, it's far more likely that a layman gains cursory information about a drug and its effects, while lacking the specialized knowledge required to safely prescribe it. In short, it's far easier to accidentally poison yourself with prescription medication that it is with bleach, and we have measures in place to prevent such accidents for a reason.
- u801e 8y ago
  > I'm willing to bet that very few people accidentally consume bleach or warfarin under the belief that it is beneficial. I believe that a number of children and adolescents tried to consume Tide detergent pods. [1] [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/11/tide-pod-challenge-teens-eating-detergent-pods-and-posting-videos-online/1023583001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/11/ti...
- wu-ikkyu 8y ago
  Isn't that what the directions that are on every bottle are for?
- tengbretson 8y ago
  What exactly do you think constitutes an "accident"? Have you ever accidentally purchased a drug that required an over-the-counter interaction and consumed it?
javadocmd 8y ago
The average adult can be quickly and reliably trained to use bleach appropriately: "Should I drink bleach? No. Always no." On the other hand, the average adult requires six or more years of education and training to manage warfarin appropriately. I'm being somewhat glib for effect, but do you not see a critical distinction there? In the interest of public health, we make all kinds of laws to protect people from things they cannot be expected to do safely. Why is it unreasonable to protect people from dangerous medications?

mrfusion 8y ago

But medicine is dealing with your own body and I would argue that you’re the world expert on your own body.

Analemma_ 8y ago
This is the kind of logic that has brought us the plague of “As a mom, I know what’s best for my kids’ health and that’s why I’m not getting them vaccinated.” Despite what a charming mantra it sounds like, people are not automatically experts on themselves any more than on any other subject.

rdiddly 8y ago

Far from being just for those trying to self-medicate, this process also applies to anyone who's been diagnosed by another doctor, but happened to move, or can't get their records for whatever reason, or whose new doctor insists on a full work-up regardless because they're not comfortable skipping it.