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> I consider sama to be an extraordinary investor and thinker (I know this is the most consensus thing one could say on HN). Yeah I'm gonna disagree with you t

> I consider sama to be an extraordinary investor and thinker (I know this is the most consensus thing one could say on HN). Yeah I'm gonna disagree with you there. These are some of the things he's said over the years "I realized I felt more comfortable discussing controversial ideas in Beijing than in San Francisco" "This is uncomfortable, but it’s possible we have to allow people to say disparaging things about gay people if we want them to be able to say novel things about physics." http://blog.samaltman.com/e-pur-si-muove http://blog.samaltman.com/e-pur-si-muove "US growth has stagnated while Chinese growth has continued to do pretty well. The US has become less competitive globally" "The current business model of the US requires the dollar to be the world reserve currency, though the Chinese currency is rapidly becoming a viable alternative" "The other stark contrast is how much harder people in China seem to work than people here, and how working hard is considered a good thing, not a bad thing." https://blog.samaltman.com/china https://blog.samaltman.com/china

zazpowered 8y ago
You would disagree with all of those statements?
tlb 8y ago
It's not self-evident that any of those things are wrong. Could you explain what you believe instead, and why? Perhaps in a blog post so as not to pollute this discussion.
- k__ 8y ago
  Some of them are right, I think. The US is going downhill. But some are just "I need some work horses who do 100h a week for my gain" kind of stuff
- njoro 8y ago
  It isn't particularly reasonable, one might even say dismissive, to suggest that someone explains themselves, off site no less, when you aren't adding much to the discussion yourself. Plenty of people have already written about these comments. Most widely after Mike Mortiz made similar ones in the Financial Times. https://venturebeat.com/2018/02/11/what-sequoias-mike-moritz-doesnt-understand-about-startups-in-china/ https://venturebeat.com/2018/02/11/what-sequoias-mike-moritz... https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/19/moritz-sabotages-sequoia-again/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/19/moritz-sabotages-sequoia-a... https://twitter.com/dhh/status/954319522151976960 https://twitter.com/dhh/status/954319522151976960 https://gizmodo.com/sam-altman-is-an-idiot-1821327260 https://gizmodo.com/sam-altman-is-an-idiot-1821327260 https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-15/appraisal-rights-and-tech-fears https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-15/appraisal...
amoorthy 8y ago
Why are the above statements a problem? You can reasonably disagree with them but Sam seems to have made them in good faith based on his observations. His comments speak to important issues and merit a discussion, even if he's wrong at times. Either way, his observations suggest someone who thinks about major issues and reaches his own conclusions - something I appreciate.
- njoro 8y ago
  > Why are the above statements a problem? Going to a repressive country saying that you feel free in thought is pretty controversial. If you are doing that as someone who is rich and has influence it is a lot worse. > You can reasonably disagree with them but Sam seems to have made them in good faith based on his observations. Everyone does, or can at least be said to do, that. That doesn't mean anything. What means something is whether your thoughts and conclusions have merit. That you communicate the things you are saying clearly and that those things hold up to scrutiny. His opinions doesn't do that. Being interviewed by people you know and being discussed on forums that are friendly to you isn't much of a discussion at all. And a lack of you hearing something isn't an indication of that whoever has your ear is right. Matt Levine is one of the few people who even cares to comment on such things. He is fairly well respected even on HN. This is what he has to say: > Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are bold iconoclastic innovators who move fast and break things and question established paradigms to change the world, unless someone makes fun of them. In which case they crumple instantly? There's no suggestion of actual censorship in Altman's post, no chance of the government suppressing controversial opinion (as it does in China!). It is just a sort of cringing terror that someone might disagree with you, say that you're wrong, criticize your priorities, make jokes at your expense. "How can I change the world if someone might mock me on Twitter?" https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-15/appraisal-rights-and-tech-fears https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-15/appraisal...
  - amoorthy 8y ago
    Thanks for taking the time to reply so thoughtfully. I feel a bit silly in my original comment now. This article, also trending on HN today, is illuminating on what life in China is like: http://www.baldingsworld.com/2018/07/17/balding-out/ http://www.baldingsworld.com/2018/07/17/balding-out/

zazpowered 8y ago

You would disagree with all of those statements?

tlb 8y ago

It's not self-evident that any of those things are wrong. Could you explain what you believe instead, and why? Perhaps in a blog post so as not to pollute this discussion.

k__ 8y ago
Some of them are right, I think. The US is going downhill. But some are just "I need some work horses who do 100h a week for my gain" kind of stuff
njoro 8y ago
It isn't particularly reasonable, one might even say dismissive, to suggest that someone explains themselves, off site no less, when you aren't adding much to the discussion yourself. Plenty of people have already written about these comments. Most widely after Mike Mortiz made similar ones in the Financial Times. https://venturebeat.com/2018/02/11/what-sequoias-mike-moritz-doesnt-understand-about-startups-in-china/ https://venturebeat.com/2018/02/11/what-sequoias-mike-moritz... https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/19/moritz-sabotages-sequoia-again/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/19/moritz-sabotages-sequoia-a... https://twitter.com/dhh/status/954319522151976960 https://twitter.com/dhh/status/954319522151976960 https://gizmodo.com/sam-altman-is-an-idiot-1821327260 https://gizmodo.com/sam-altman-is-an-idiot-1821327260 https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-15/appraisal-rights-and-tech-fears https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-15/appraisal...

amoorthy 8y ago

Why are the above statements a problem? You can reasonably disagree with them but Sam seems to have made them in good faith based on his observations. His comments speak to important issues and merit a discussion, even if he's wrong at times. Either way, his observations suggest someone who thinks about major issues and reaches his own conclusions - something I appreciate.

njoro 8y ago
> Why are the above statements a problem? Going to a repressive country saying that you feel free in thought is pretty controversial. If you are doing that as someone who is rich and has influence it is a lot worse. > You can reasonably disagree with them but Sam seems to have made them in good faith based on his observations. Everyone does, or can at least be said to do, that. That doesn't mean anything. What means something is whether your thoughts and conclusions have merit. That you communicate the things you are saying clearly and that those things hold up to scrutiny. His opinions doesn't do that. Being interviewed by people you know and being discussed on forums that are friendly to you isn't much of a discussion at all. And a lack of you hearing something isn't an indication of that whoever has your ear is right. Matt Levine is one of the few people who even cares to comment on such things. He is fairly well respected even on HN. This is what he has to say: > Silicon Valley entrepreneurs are bold iconoclastic innovators who move fast and break things and question established paradigms to change the world, unless someone makes fun of them. In which case they crumple instantly? There's no suggestion of actual censorship in Altman's post, no chance of the government suppressing controversial opinion (as it does in China!). It is just a sort of cringing terror that someone might disagree with you, say that you're wrong, criticize your priorities, make jokes at your expense. "How can I change the world if someone might mock me on Twitter?" https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-15/appraisal-rights-and-tech-fears https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-12-15/appraisal...
- amoorthy 8y ago
  Thanks for taking the time to reply so thoughtfully. I feel a bit silly in my original comment now. This article, also trending on HN today, is illuminating on what life in China is like: http://www.baldingsworld.com/2018/07/17/balding-out/ http://www.baldingsworld.com/2018/07/17/balding-out/