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I get that. But spending a lot of money on things that don't make it to the final cut always felt like a waste to me. I'm very very marginally into filmmaking (

I get that. But spending a lot of money on things that don't make it to the final cut always felt like a waste to me. I'm very very marginally into filmmaking (see bio), and I've always had the impression that costs and time could be cut drastically just with better planning. I often wonder what would happen if you applied startup principles to making a movie. Thinking in terms of MVP, customer value, efficiency, on top of the artistic vision. This is not just talk, I'm putting my ideas to practice by producing two zero-budget feature films with an extremely lean mentality. Let's see how they turn out :)

de_watcher 8y ago
Reminds me of "The Matrix" with detailed sketches of how exactly should it look.
- magic_beans 8y ago
  Most movies do this. See: http://www.storyboardsinc.com/news/archives/2274 http://www.storyboardsinc.com/news/archives/2274
- laumars 8y ago
  That's called a story board. As far as I'm aware all movies and a fair few TV shows do this because it's cheaper to sketch your idea out before you hire expensive camera crew, lighting, etc
- ghaff 8y ago
  A lot of effort (and lots of time) can go into the development of a show or film. Yes, it can cost quite a bit of money in absolute terms to go through multiple rewrites, conceptual development, storyboards, screen tests, etc.--sometimes over the course of years--but it's still generally dirt cheap compared to the daily costs once you flip on the production switch.
Quarrelsome 8y ago
you don't know what's gonna make the final cut though. Stuff like language creation is super early on in the process at which point you're trying to engineer a system for success. It makes sense because you don't know what you're gonna end up with and overshooting is better than missing.
- DanAndersen 8y ago
  Exactly -- that was part of the mindset behind Weta when they were working on the Lord of the Rings movies. They rejected the attitude of avoiding detail "because no one would see it anyway," because putting in that detail would then open up flexibility in terms of what shots could actually be done, because there was the confidence that whatever they made would hold up.
WilliamEdward 8y ago
I mean, you can consider the cost of making a language like this as part of marketing. It's getting thousands of people online to talk about the show.
mikeash 8y ago
I don’t know much about film, but I can imagine someone saying the same thing about programming. We spend all this time building things that get replaced before they even ship. We celebrate programmers who remove more code than they add. Surely this is a huge waste that could be avoided with better planning?
- ggambetta 8y ago
  Saying this as a software engineer that has been on movie sets - you have no idea how disorganised, chaotic, and wasteful they can be, and how long hanging is the low hanging fruit in terms of making processes more efficient.
lfxyz 8y ago
You might already be familiar with it, but Robert Rodriguez pursued a very budget-conscious approach when filming El Mariachi. Much of the approach is explained in the DVD extras to the film, but is summarised on the film's Wikipedia[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Mariachi#Production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Mariachi#Production

de_watcher 8y ago

Reminds me of "The Matrix" with detailed sketches of how exactly should it look.

magic_beans 8y ago
Most movies do this. See: http://www.storyboardsinc.com/news/archives/2274 http://www.storyboardsinc.com/news/archives/2274
laumars 8y ago
That's called a story board. As far as I'm aware all movies and a fair few TV shows do this because it's cheaper to sketch your idea out before you hire expensive camera crew, lighting, etc
ghaff 8y ago
A lot of effort (and lots of time) can go into the development of a show or film. Yes, it can cost quite a bit of money in absolute terms to go through multiple rewrites, conceptual development, storyboards, screen tests, etc.--sometimes over the course of years--but it's still generally dirt cheap compared to the daily costs once you flip on the production switch.

Quarrelsome 8y ago

you don't know what's gonna make the final cut though. Stuff like language creation is super early on in the process at which point you're trying to engineer a system for success. It makes sense because you don't know what you're gonna end up with and overshooting is better than missing.

DanAndersen 8y ago
Exactly -- that was part of the mindset behind Weta when they were working on the Lord of the Rings movies. They rejected the attitude of avoiding detail "because no one would see it anyway," because putting in that detail would then open up flexibility in terms of what shots could actually be done, because there was the confidence that whatever they made would hold up.

WilliamEdward 8y ago

I mean, you can consider the cost of making a language like this as part of marketing. It's getting thousands of people online to talk about the show.

mikeash 8y ago

I don’t know much about film, but I can imagine someone saying the same thing about programming. We spend all this time building things that get replaced before they even ship. We celebrate programmers who remove more code than they add. Surely this is a huge waste that could be avoided with better planning?

ggambetta 8y ago
Saying this as a software engineer that has been on movie sets - you have no idea how disorganised, chaotic, and wasteful they can be, and how long hanging is the low hanging fruit in terms of making processes more efficient.

lfxyz 8y ago

You might already be familiar with it, but Robert Rodriguez pursued a very budget-conscious approach when filming El Mariachi. Much of the approach is explained in the DVD extras to the film, but is summarised on the film's Wikipedia[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Mariachi#Production https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Mariachi#Production