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> if giving people their own offices is worth the huge financial hit... I would think it's only a huge financial hit in places like NYC and maybe the most expe

by mmt 8y ago

> if giving people their own offices is worth the huge financial hit... I would think it's only a huge financial hit in places like NYC and maybe the most expensive parts of SF. Elsewhere, even class A real estate isn't that expensive. You yourself quoted about $5k annually per employee above. While not peanuts, compared to salary or even benefits and perks, "huge" seems like an exaggeration. > they should be doing better than someone. But they're not, they're the same Do we know that to be true, though, for a private company? The same as whom, Atlassian?

jrockway 8y ago
I mean, I made that number up. What I'm saying is, if you always pick the offer that provides the highest salary, you will get that salary at the expense of all else.
- mmt 8y ago
  > I made that number up Perhaps it would have been better not to specify, then, as it was a source of confusion in contrast to "huge". However, $5k a year is roughly $400/mo, which would pay for a 10x10 office at $4/sqft, which doesn't strike me as outlandish. > if you always pick the offer that provides the highest salary, you will get that salary at the expense of all else Firstly, that's a big "if". It assumes there are always/frequently multiple competing offers. I have found, alternatively, at least among more senior engineers, that the offer stage is only reached after first evaluating other factors (such as suitability of working environment). Secondly, salary offers are, especially in the cases of multiple competing ones, are rarely final, as evidenced by many discussions and advice regarding salary negotiation tactics. Thirdly, "at the expense of all else" is demonstrably false, as there are numerous examples (Google, whom you mentioned, being not the least) of companies who provide remarkably generous benefits and perks, in addition to high salaries, while not providing private offices. The idea that the sole motivation is cost is, therefore, unpersuasive.

by mmt 8y ago

jrockway 8y ago

I mean, I made that number up. What I'm saying is, if you always pick the offer that provides the highest salary, you will get that salary at the expense of all else.

mmt 8y ago
> I made that number up Perhaps it would have been better not to specify, then, as it was a source of confusion in contrast to "huge". However, $5k a year is roughly $400/mo, which would pay for a 10x10 office at $4/sqft, which doesn't strike me as outlandish. > if you always pick the offer that provides the highest salary, you will get that salary at the expense of all else Firstly, that's a big "if". It assumes there are always/frequently multiple competing offers. I have found, alternatively, at least among more senior engineers, that the offer stage is only reached after first evaluating other factors (such as suitability of working environment). Secondly, salary offers are, especially in the cases of multiple competing ones, are rarely final, as evidenced by many discussions and advice regarding salary negotiation tactics. Thirdly, "at the expense of all else" is demonstrably false, as there are numerous examples (Google, whom you mentioned, being not the least) of companies who provide remarkably generous benefits and perks, in addition to high salaries, while not providing private offices. The idea that the sole motivation is cost is, therefore, unpersuasive.