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It's important to not mistake your personal dislike of something for objective fact though. For example: > a price point that has never materialized Why would

It's important to not mistake your personal dislike of something for objective fact though. For example: > a price point that has never materialized Why would something that hasn't been scheduled to happen have happened? It's like criticizing Democrats for not winning the 2018 midterms. It's just plain nonsense. > changing energy forever blah blah blah is a lot of PR. Maybe that's just cynicism? Many people care about their success because it is a proxy for Climate Change. A future where Tesla succeeds is a future in which there is significant movement towards cutting carbon emissions. A future where Tesla fails is more likely to be fossil-dependent than not. There is no future where Tesla is successful and we're heavily dependent on fossil fuels. Maybe you'd find it more intellectually stimulating if you paid attention to what they're actually doing, versus whatever dumb shit Musk says on twitter.

DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
They’re making cars, not as fast as they’d like, but faster than their most ardent naysayers seemed to think they could. The recall rates on the cars are pretty average compare to the rest of the industry, so I’m skeptical of claims by naysayers that they’re shoddily made. However, they’re yet to turn a profit, yet to show any signs of profit, they’re heavily in debt, and have given a lot of time to competing industry giants to wake up and catch up. I’d say the future is uncertain based on what they’re actually doing, rather than the dumb shit on Twitter as you say. As for cynicism, that only really fits if a cynical outlook is conflated with an uncertain outlook. Really, I’m getting a strong, “your lack of faith is disturbing,” vibe here. I don’t know if Musk can make Tesla the kind of success that SpaceX is; it’s possible, as is abject failure. I feel quite comfortable betting against the “save the world” scenario, since I’m taking your advice and ignoring the bullshit tweets. How about this, I’ve already clearly spelled out what I think and why. How about you explain in detail, clearly and concretely how present matters imply what you see as likely? Not in terms of what “must” happen to avert a dire future, or in optimistic terms... just get realistic with me. Convince me.

DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago

They’re making cars, not as fast as they’d like, but faster than their most ardent naysayers seemed to think they could. The recall rates on the cars are pretty average compare to the rest of the industry, so I’m skeptical of claims by naysayers that they’re shoddily made. However, they’re yet to turn a profit, yet to show any signs of profit, they’re heavily in debt, and have given a lot of time to competing industry giants to wake up and catch up. I’d say the future is uncertain based on what they’re actually doing, rather than the dumb shit on Twitter as you say. As for cynicism, that only really fits if a cynical outlook is conflated with an uncertain outlook. Really, I’m getting a strong, “your lack of faith is disturbing,” vibe here. I don’t know if Musk can make Tesla the kind of success that SpaceX is; it’s possible, as is abject failure. I feel quite comfortable betting against the “save the world” scenario, since I’m taking your advice and ignoring the bullshit tweets. How about this, I’ve already clearly spelled out what I think and why. How about you explain in detail, clearly and concretely how present matters imply what you see as likely? Not in terms of what “must” happen to avert a dire future, or in optimistic terms... just get realistic with me. Convince me.