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I have completely stopped using Amazon, with the final nail in the coffin being the stories about how they treat their workers. I think it's just a matter of de

I have completely stopped using Amazon, with the final nail in the coffin being the stories about how they treat their workers. I think it's just a matter of dependence and most of the stuff I used to get, I can find it elsewhere.

XalvinX 8y ago
There's another way to look at the workers situation. They do have jobs, and let me frankly say that in (for instance) Patterson City, California (aka bumf__k egypt, basically) creating thousands of jobs is not nothing...
- saudioger 8y ago
  "They do have jobs" is a very sad way to justify poor working conditions. Meanwhile Jeff Bezos' fortune is approximately $1,000 per American household.
  - XalvinX 8y ago
    I would agree that Bezos is one greedy motherfucker. No doubt about it.
- cakemuncher 8y ago
  Slaves "had jobs" as well. Their masters just paid them in food, water, and shelter. This whole thing about businesses "giving jobs" is ludicrous. American brainwashing. Businesses NEED workers. Not the other way around. Humans have always existed and survived for hundreds of thousands of years without "jobs". Businesses cannot survive without workers. Businesses would simply cease to exist without workers. People can still grow their own veggies and meat. Businesses can't generate profits without workers.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > People can still grow their own veggies and meat. Not as an alternative means of even survival-level support if they don't have access to sufficient suitable real estate to do so.
    - fifnir 8y ago
      People can still claim their own real-estate ;)
      - XalvinX 8y ago
        where?
        fifnir 8y ago
        That was a tongue-in-cheek comment about revolutions etc
        XalvinX 8y ago
        Better be careful. I was just warned about making obvious and non-threatening jokes on this site by the main headquarters themselves. In fact, this is my last comment ever. I'm done with this site and the group of babies that run it. Take care.
  - jschwartzi 8y ago
    It actually cuts both ways. We workers need the business to exist for the work. The business needs our skills to continue being a business.
- jschwartzi 8y ago
  Ah, the story of the great job creators, who float majestically through the firmament shedding jobs like a fish sheds it's scales.
  - XalvinX 8y ago
    I was only showing the other side of equation... I'm as Libertarian as they come and also believe Karl Marx's theories made tons of sense...(I know that sounds a bit contradictory!) Amazon needs to share its wealth much more, at least among its workers and also independent authors using it, and so on, and realize that it needs to support the ecosystem that allowed it, including things like more freedom and liberty for people, not less. This vast accumulation of wealth is bad news, even for capitalism itself, when you get right down to it. Bezos has a huge chance to make a stellar example to the world here, but so far...ummm...i mean why not?

XalvinX 8y ago

There's another way to look at the workers situation. They do have jobs, and let me frankly say that in (for instance) Patterson City, California (aka bumf__k egypt, basically) creating thousands of jobs is not nothing...

saudioger 8y ago
"They do have jobs" is a very sad way to justify poor working conditions. Meanwhile Jeff Bezos' fortune is approximately $1,000 per American household.
- XalvinX 8y ago
  I would agree that Bezos is one greedy motherfucker. No doubt about it.
cakemuncher 8y ago
Slaves "had jobs" as well. Their masters just paid them in food, water, and shelter. This whole thing about businesses "giving jobs" is ludicrous. American brainwashing. Businesses NEED workers. Not the other way around. Humans have always existed and survived for hundreds of thousands of years without "jobs". Businesses cannot survive without workers. Businesses would simply cease to exist without workers. People can still grow their own veggies and meat. Businesses can't generate profits without workers.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > People can still grow their own veggies and meat. Not as an alternative means of even survival-level support if they don't have access to sufficient suitable real estate to do so.
  - fifnir 8y ago
    People can still claim their own real-estate ;)
    - XalvinX 8y ago
      where?
      - fifnir 8y ago
        That was a tongue-in-cheek comment about revolutions etc
        XalvinX 8y ago
        Better be careful. I was just warned about making obvious and non-threatening jokes on this site by the main headquarters themselves. In fact, this is my last comment ever. I'm done with this site and the group of babies that run it. Take care.
- jschwartzi 8y ago
  It actually cuts both ways. We workers need the business to exist for the work. The business needs our skills to continue being a business.
jschwartzi 8y ago
Ah, the story of the great job creators, who float majestically through the firmament shedding jobs like a fish sheds it's scales.
- XalvinX 8y ago
  I was only showing the other side of equation... I'm as Libertarian as they come and also believe Karl Marx's theories made tons of sense...(I know that sounds a bit contradictory!) Amazon needs to share its wealth much more, at least among its workers and also independent authors using it, and so on, and realize that it needs to support the ecosystem that allowed it, including things like more freedom and liberty for people, not less. This vast accumulation of wealth is bad news, even for capitalism itself, when you get right down to it. Bezos has a huge chance to make a stellar example to the world here, but so far...ummm...i mean why not?