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Well the British diver guy, Vernon Unsworth, did start with the innuendo attacks first, telling Musk "he can stick it where it hurts", referring to the sub. Th

Well the British diver guy, Vernon Unsworth, did start with the innuendo attacks first, telling Musk "he can stick it where it hurts", referring to the sub. That's what Musk was responding to I think. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-15/thai-cave-rescue-diver-says-elon-musk-mini-submarine-pr-stunt/9995624 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-15/thai-cave-rescue-diver...

icebraining 8y ago
"Pedo guy" is not an innuendo. Plus Unsworth's words may have been crass, but they weren't an accusation of anything. There's really no comparison.
- agumonkey 8y ago
  Lucky for Elon he has the technology to run as far away as possible from the shame
- obituary_latte 8y ago
  >Unsworth's words may have been crass, but they weren't an accusation of anything To be fair, he accused Elon’s effort of being a pr stunt. Doesn’t justify the response but it was an attack of sorts.
TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
Yeah but... To jump to calling someone a pedophile is reprehensible. And some of Musk's calibre should ... know better. And frankly, I have zero tolerance for this sort of thing. Sling around accusations of illegal actions against children isn't something we should take lightly. As far as I'm concerned Musk doesn't deserve anything, other than destitution.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  > As far as I'm concerned Musk doesn't deserve anything, other than destitution. So two angry men shout invectives at each other, and you believe one of them deserves to have their life completely destroyed as a consequence? That sounds a little disproportionate.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
    Yes. Calling someone a pedophile is what you do when you want to destroy someones life. And I'll continue to believe Musk deserves the worst of all possible worlds until he makes a public apology, streamed live. Zero tolerance cuts both ways.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      I see your point, but personally I'd prefer if people were less willing to entertain destroying each other over spoken words. As it is now, the diver's life seems unaffected, so the negative consequences failed to materialize. I definitely believe that for such unfounded, public accusation from a de-facto celebrity, a very public apology and some meaningful monetary damages are warranted. I feel this would suffice as a deterrent.
      - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
        I agree, that's what I'm saying. If he's prepared to go around slinging that accusation, then I have no respect for him at all. The best possible outcome would be if he makes a public apology, and approaches the guy in an attempt to make reparations. Just a simple: "Yeah, look, that was out of line. I'm seeing an anger management psychologist in an effort to curb my behaviour, and I'll donate a million to a children's charity of your choice."
      - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
        Here's the public apology. Good on him. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1019472152796381185 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1019472152796381185 Nonetheless, his actions against me do not justify my actions against him, and for that I apologize to Mr. Unsworth and to the companies I represent as leader. The fault is mine and mine alone. And then he goes on to launch a special event where he gives away ETH and BTC. So I guess that's kinda of nearly almost giving money to a kids charity? It's something at least.
xvf22 8y ago
Calling it a publicity stunt and getting called a pedo in return is way out of line. Musk looks like he's lashing out and it makes you wonder if he does this regularly. As with his questionable donations[1], this risks shifting people's opinions. [1] https://thinkprogress.org/elon-musk-house-gop-contributions-ed4cfe71c22c/ https://thinkprogress.org/elon-musk-house-gop-contributions-...
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  > it makes you wonder if he does this regularly Probably not, as otherwise you'd see news like this frequently. After all, Twitter is public. So let's not generalize this incident too much.
  - thraway180306 8y ago
    But I see that frequently. There was all the kerfuffle around head of Tesla Autopilot quitting over Musk behaviour that also descended to namecalling. That painter guy who took issue with Musk stealing his artwork that ended up the same. That earnings conference call which felt like it could go there. Not on Twitter there are lots of stories of management by yelling.
curiousgal 8y ago
I found it quite dishonest by The Guardian to not mention that.
- _Codemonkeyism 8y ago
  The Guardian did https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk...
KozmoNau7 8y ago
Those two things are on completely different scales. The diver had personally seen the cave and knew the obstacles, and was simply telling a jumped-up billionaire playboy to please go away with his silly counterproductive and possibly dangerous toys, in a manner fitting a tense and dramatic situation. Musk then goes flying off the handle with a completely baseless and and frankly insane accusation, because his ego got hurt.
ddalex 8y ago
That's like ten orders of magnitude lighter than calling somebody a pedo...
masklinn 8y ago
Calling somebody a pedophile is not even remotely in the same galaxy as hinting that somebody should take their stupid idea and shove it up their ass.

icebraining 8y ago

"Pedo guy" is not an innuendo. Plus Unsworth's words may have been crass, but they weren't an accusation of anything. There's really no comparison.

agumonkey 8y ago
Lucky for Elon he has the technology to run as far away as possible from the shame
obituary_latte 8y ago
>Unsworth's words may have been crass, but they weren't an accusation of anything To be fair, he accused Elon’s effort of being a pr stunt. Doesn’t justify the response but it was an attack of sorts.

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago

Yeah but... To jump to calling someone a pedophile is reprehensible. And some of Musk's calibre should ... know better. And frankly, I have zero tolerance for this sort of thing. Sling around accusations of illegal actions against children isn't something we should take lightly. As far as I'm concerned Musk doesn't deserve anything, other than destitution.

TeMPOraL 8y ago
> As far as I'm concerned Musk doesn't deserve anything, other than destitution. So two angry men shout invectives at each other, and you believe one of them deserves to have their life completely destroyed as a consequence? That sounds a little disproportionate.
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  Yes. Calling someone a pedophile is what you do when you want to destroy someones life. And I'll continue to believe Musk deserves the worst of all possible worlds until he makes a public apology, streamed live. Zero tolerance cuts both ways.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    I see your point, but personally I'd prefer if people were less willing to entertain destroying each other over spoken words. As it is now, the diver's life seems unaffected, so the negative consequences failed to materialize. I definitely believe that for such unfounded, public accusation from a de-facto celebrity, a very public apology and some meaningful monetary damages are warranted. I feel this would suffice as a deterrent.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
      I agree, that's what I'm saying. If he's prepared to go around slinging that accusation, then I have no respect for him at all. The best possible outcome would be if he makes a public apology, and approaches the guy in an attempt to make reparations. Just a simple: "Yeah, look, that was out of line. I'm seeing an anger management psychologist in an effort to curb my behaviour, and I'll donate a million to a children's charity of your choice."
    - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
      Here's the public apology. Good on him. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1019472152796381185 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1019472152796381185 Nonetheless, his actions against me do not justify my actions against him, and for that I apologize to Mr. Unsworth and to the companies I represent as leader. The fault is mine and mine alone. And then he goes on to launch a special event where he gives away ETH and BTC. So I guess that's kinda of nearly almost giving money to a kids charity? It's something at least.

xvf22 8y ago

Calling it a publicity stunt and getting called a pedo in return is way out of line. Musk looks like he's lashing out and it makes you wonder if he does this regularly. As with his questionable donations[1], this risks shifting people's opinions. [1] https://thinkprogress.org/elon-musk-house-gop-contributions-ed4cfe71c22c/ https://thinkprogress.org/elon-musk-house-gop-contributions-...

TeMPOraL 8y ago
> it makes you wonder if he does this regularly Probably not, as otherwise you'd see news like this frequently. After all, Twitter is public. So let's not generalize this incident too much.
- thraway180306 8y ago
  But I see that frequently. There was all the kerfuffle around head of Tesla Autopilot quitting over Musk behaviour that also descended to namecalling. That painter guy who took issue with Musk stealing his artwork that ended up the same. That earnings conference call which felt like it could go there. Not on Twitter there are lots of stories of management by yelling.

curiousgal 8y ago

I found it quite dishonest by The Guardian to not mention that.

_Codemonkeyism 8y ago
The Guardian did https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk...

KozmoNau7 8y ago

Those two things are on completely different scales. The diver had personally seen the cave and knew the obstacles, and was simply telling a jumped-up billionaire playboy to please go away with his silly counterproductive and possibly dangerous toys, in a manner fitting a tense and dramatic situation. Musk then goes flying off the handle with a completely baseless and and frankly insane accusation, because his ego got hurt.

ddalex 8y ago

That's like ten orders of magnitude lighter than calling somebody a pedo...

masklinn 8y ago

Calling somebody a pedophile is not even remotely in the same galaxy as hinting that somebody should take their stupid idea and shove it up their ass.