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I supported Musk after he released his e-mail correspondence showing the dive team had requested he continue work with his submarine. I also think Musk genuine
by planetjones 8y ago
I supported Musk after he released his e-mail correspondence showing the dive team had requested he continue work with his submarine. I also think Musk genuinely tried to help solve a problem; maybe not with the greatest requirements gathering (though Musk is adamant the submarine would be able to reach the cave and is planning to demonstrate this). Some of the attacks on Musk were terrible and unnecessary.
However, he then sends this baseless tweet. And doubles down on it. It is juvenile, petty and disgraceful behavior. It would seem that everyone is deeply flawed in some way.
- erokar 8y ago> It would seem that everyone is deeply flawed in some way. It would seem that Musk is deeply flawed in some way.
- TeMPOraL 8y agoAnd so is everyone else. It's so obvious that we usually don't even about it, except when people need an occasional reminder that their favourite celebrities are human too.
- blub 8y agoGreat power, great responsibility, etc. not everyone can unleash a torrent of pain just by tweeting. People with such power should be held to much much higher standards. Or better yet, they shouldn't have it in the first place.
- happertiger 8y agoYea when someone in the public eye forgets the lessons they teach in kindergarten it’s always a little disappointing. I imagine he is mad at the guy, but I wish he would show a little less hubris. Nobody is perfect. Hope he learns to apologize and be the bigger person because the benefits of that approach for those that are publicly adored cannot be overstated.
- m_mueller 8y agoYou know what, maybe the kindergarden analogy is quite apt. EM seems to have a childlike wonder, drive and openness, which is very powerful when combined with a high quality STEM education and intellect - maybe 'staying a child' comes with good and bad attitudes at the same time?
- chewz 8y agoI think this story demonstrates the difference between quiet professionalism of people like Unsworth and narcistic void of Musk.
- Brotkrumen 8y agoQuiet professionalism would've been "no comment about Musk. I'm happy the children are safe".
- chewz 8y agoWell Unsworth had behind him many years of experience diving in these caves and had been instrumental to locating the children and the rescue operation. Can't blame him for his outburst at Musk's PR stunt
- Brotkrumen 8y agoAren't outbursts at odds with quiet professionalism?
- watwut 8y agoLets not confuse quiet professionalism with submission and passivity. That guy was coordinating large amount people in high stress situation. If he would allow everyone to walk on him, lie about him and would not be able with people full of BS, the whole operation would had likely failed.
- flexie 8y agoIt's unworthy and completely wrong reaction, but it is understandable given the diver's prior attacks on him. Not that it's an excuse.
- darklajid 8y agoDifferent people are held to different standards. Even if insulted (and how insulting were these previous comments, really?) a random diver speaks for himself, a public figure heading and representing multiple big corporations should be able to keep his mouth shut instead.
- KozmoNau7 8y agoWhich prior attacks would that be? He simply told Musk to go away and take his toys with him, before he hurt someone. Was he direct and a little bit rude? Sure, but the overall situation was quite tense, so there wasn't a lot of time for fine detail and detailed explanations.
- belltaco 8y agoThis was after the rescue finished. >Elon Musk can 'stick his submarine where it hurts', says British caver who helped rescue Thai schoolboys https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/thai-cave-rescue-elon-musk-mini-submarine-british-driver-tham-luang-vern-unsworth-a8447166.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/thai-cave-resc...
- KozmoNau7 8y agoI stand corrected. However, it was still justified.
- blub 8y agoHow can it be unworthy and wrong... yet understandable? It's understandable to be pissed off and call the other guy an asshole. This is totally fucked up and not at all understandable.
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- mmjaa 8y agoIts not entirely baseless - there are rather discomfiting pictures out there of Vernon Unsworth interacting with children. He has deleted them from his Twitter, but they were there prior to this kefluffle.
- icebraining 8y agoWhose Twitter? Unsworth's? And nobody screencaped them? Did you see them, or are you spreading rumors?
- Fnoord 8y agoCare to share a source so we can judge for ourselves whether those pictures are discomfiting?
- nAwYz 8y agoAny link to them? Because at the moment this sounds like slander. I also can not imaging that someone has so problematic pictures on his Twitter
- agumonkey 8y agoI'm now waiting on bezos answer, he must compete.
- TeMPOraL 8y agoJeff Who? Twitter jabs are funny until the audience - or participants themselves - start to treat them too seriously. That's when the problem starts. I'm sad to see Elon falling into this trap.
- agumonkey 8y agoI'm still thinking Musk is on a slippery slope, too many projects, too many claims, too much debt. I don't think social networks are the main factor here.
- TeMPOraL 8y agoI agree social media is more of a symptom here. I've been worrying about that recently too. From what I see on-line, I feel like his behaviour has become pretty... erratic. He used to be more focused on solving big problems in the past. I worry he'll go completely off the rails at some point, and destroy all the efforts around space access and Mars.
- agumonkey 8y agoI picture a very jobsian future. Ousted because of damaging management. Then a come back with more wisdom and turtlenecks.