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>To be honest I am fine with pay £700 more for a machine that doesn't develop a problem with the spacebar after 11 days as well as all the other problems I have

by kace91 8y ago

>To be honest I am fine with pay £700 more for a machine that doesn't develop a problem with the spacebar after 11 days as well as all the other problems I have had. I'd argue that is a bad comparison. You're basically judging them both on a vacuum (since one is x amount more expensive but gives me reliability, that X extra is justified). but putting those two devices in context, if we take a look at earlier models, we see that macs have increased enormously in price without providing an equivalent amount of improvements. For me it's more of a case of a company abusing it's status as leader, while others are unable to provide a real alternative.

npunt 8y ago
They haven't increased enormously in price, when comparing like models and factoring in exchange rates to USD. The 2012-2015 generation 15" were bifurcated in 2013 between integrated and discrete graphics. You need to look at discrete graphics models. The 2009-2012 generation 15" was the midrange model, and the 17" was the top of the line model, so you need to compare to that model. The 2018's have introduced new tiers of parts on the super high end (i9 and 4tb ssd) that bump the fully spec'd model up in price. Of course that's getting a lot of attention, but those don't represent the typical builds. See this chart on historic USD pricing [0] and historic pricing by country [1], and historic 10Y exchange rates (pick any currency) [2]. I did this comparison for someone on reddit [3] with CAD and each of their examples of price increases were 100% accounted for by looking at exchange rates. [0] https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/mac-prices-us-usa-united-states-america.html https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/mac-prices-us-usa-uni... [1] https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/index-global-international-mac-prices.html https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/index-global-internat... [2] https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CAD&view=10Y https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CAD&view=10Y [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8yqu2p/the_prices_of_the_macbooks_have_been_increasing/e2d8jw5/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8yqu2p/the_prices_of...
satysin 8y ago
Oh it isn't a good comparison I agree with that. I can't help but be pissed off with Dell though. This isn't the first problem I have had with their "premium" laptops either. I only bought the 9570 as Apple was silent on upgrades to the MBP at WWDC but it has been the worst purchase I have made in years. The MBP may be expensive but I have never had any issues with my previous MBPs so I feel much more confident buying one. I have a busy week this week with a lot of travel and I have to now make do with this XPS with a half working spacebar as Dell's "ProSupport" can't get me an engineer until Wednesday while I am on an flight! I am just so frustrated right now.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  XPS 13 9370 has been the best purchase I've made in years, and Dells customer support really isn't too bad considering they don't have stores in every city like Apple does. MBP's have their own sets of issues, and aren't flawless either.
  - MrMorden 8y ago
    Dell and Lenovo both come to you if you choose the right warranty plan. It beats the heck out of the Genius Bar.
    - satysin 8y ago
      Yes I have Pro Support (on-site, 24h) but they don't have the part (keyboard in this case) in stock so the earliest they can do is Wednesday (when I called Thursday) which is no good for me as I am over the Atlantic that day. Not Dell's fault that I am not available but I had hoped they would have a keyboard in stock or could at least get one next day but apparently that wasn't possible. I ended up initiating a return so it will be picked up the following week.
    - prolikewh0a 8y ago
      We do have Lenovo on site! Sometimes they're there same day, or next business day. It's pretty awesome.
  - satysin 8y ago
    Yeah Apple are not perfect but the luck of the draw has given me several faulty Dell's and no faulty Mac's. Which am I going to prefer? :)

by kace91 8y ago

npunt 8y ago

They haven't increased enormously in price, when comparing like models and factoring in exchange rates to USD. The 2012-2015 generation 15" were bifurcated in 2013 between integrated and discrete graphics. You need to look at discrete graphics models. The 2009-2012 generation 15" was the midrange model, and the 17" was the top of the line model, so you need to compare to that model. The 2018's have introduced new tiers of parts on the super high end (i9 and 4tb ssd) that bump the fully spec'd model up in price. Of course that's getting a lot of attention, but those don't represent the typical builds. See this chart on historic USD pricing [0] and historic pricing by country [1], and historic 10Y exchange rates (pick any currency) [2]. I did this comparison for someone on reddit [3] with CAD and each of their examples of price increases were 100% accounted for by looking at exchange rates. [0] https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/mac-prices-us-usa-united-states-america.html https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/mac-prices-us-usa-uni... [1] https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/index-global-international-mac-prices.html https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/index-global-internat... [2] https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CAD&view=10Y https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CAD&view=10Y [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8yqu2p/the_prices_of_the_macbooks_have_been_increasing/e2d8jw5/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8yqu2p/the_prices_of...

satysin 8y ago

Oh it isn't a good comparison I agree with that. I can't help but be pissed off with Dell though. This isn't the first problem I have had with their "premium" laptops either. I only bought the 9570 as Apple was silent on upgrades to the MBP at WWDC but it has been the worst purchase I have made in years. The MBP may be expensive but I have never had any issues with my previous MBPs so I feel much more confident buying one. I have a busy week this week with a lot of travel and I have to now make do with this XPS with a half working spacebar as Dell's "ProSupport" can't get me an engineer until Wednesday while I am on an flight! I am just so frustrated right now.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
XPS 13 9370 has been the best purchase I've made in years, and Dells customer support really isn't too bad considering they don't have stores in every city like Apple does. MBP's have their own sets of issues, and aren't flawless either.
- MrMorden 8y ago
  Dell and Lenovo both come to you if you choose the right warranty plan. It beats the heck out of the Genius Bar.
  - satysin 8y ago
    Yes I have Pro Support (on-site, 24h) but they don't have the part (keyboard in this case) in stock so the earliest they can do is Wednesday (when I called Thursday) which is no good for me as I am over the Atlantic that day. Not Dell's fault that I am not available but I had hoped they would have a keyboard in stock or could at least get one next day but apparently that wasn't possible. I ended up initiating a return so it will be picked up the following week.
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    We do have Lenovo on site! Sometimes they're there same day, or next business day. It's pretty awesome.
- satysin 8y ago
  Yeah Apple are not perfect but the luck of the draw has given me several faulty Dell's and no faulty Mac's. Which am I going to prefer? :)