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The report is that the keyboard is not the same. Quieter, but not necessarily more reliable. Reliability remains to be seen. Keep in mind that the uproar over k

The report is that the keyboard is not the same. Quieter, but not necessarily more reliable. Reliability remains to be seen. Keep in mind that the uproar over keyboard problems started far too recently to have affected the design of the 2018 version.

wll 8y ago
The ~2016-designed [0] third-generation butterfly keyboard (MacBook Pro 2018) features a silicone membrane [1] designed to «prevent and/or alleviate contaminant ingress» [0] thereby softening or preventing dust-caused key failure. [0] http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?docid=20180068808 http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?docid=20180068808 [1] https://ifixit.org/blog/10279/apple-macbook-keyboard-cover-up/ https://ifixit.org/blog/10279/apple-macbook-keyboard-cover-u...
threeseed 8y ago
Apple would've known about the keyboard issue in the first days/weeks after launch. They have repair rate metrics coming from the Apple Stores. Especially since fixing the keyboard requires an entire top case which are really expensive.
inferiorhuman 8y ago
Has Apple fixed the layouts? I found the arrow keys particularly vexxing (in addition to wanting more travel, less noise, and more durability). When the keyboard died on my old black MacBook I bought a box of top cases on that auction site and replaced it. Has Apple started bundling cables with their charges? With my mid-2012 MBP I can buy a gen 1 MagSafe charger and it'll have everything it needs to work with the computer. Last I checked the USB-C chargers aren't any cheaper, but they don't come with a cable that will connect it to a computer. The cable, of course, is another $30 or so.
brandonjm 8y ago
> the uproar over keyboard problems started far too recently to have affected the design of the 2018 version. The lawsuits were more recent, but Apple has known about the issue long before designing the 2018 MBP. This keyboard was on the 2015 MacBook and people have been complaining since early 2017 about the MBP.
geophile 8y ago
TFA (and other reporting) says the keyboard is marginally more reliable. But 1) it's still a keyboard with almost no travel, and 2) not only is the touchbar still there, but the non-touchbar option is gone.

wll 8y ago

The ~2016-designed [0] third-generation butterfly keyboard (MacBook Pro 2018) features a silicone membrane [1] designed to «prevent and/or alleviate contaminant ingress» [0] thereby softening or preventing dust-caused key failure. [0] http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?docid=20180068808 http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?docid=20180068808 [1] https://ifixit.org/blog/10279/apple-macbook-keyboard-cover-up/ https://ifixit.org/blog/10279/apple-macbook-keyboard-cover-u...

threeseed 8y ago

Apple would've known about the keyboard issue in the first days/weeks after launch. They have repair rate metrics coming from the Apple Stores. Especially since fixing the keyboard requires an entire top case which are really expensive.

inferiorhuman 8y ago

Has Apple fixed the layouts? I found the arrow keys particularly vexxing (in addition to wanting more travel, less noise, and more durability). When the keyboard died on my old black MacBook I bought a box of top cases on that auction site and replaced it. Has Apple started bundling cables with their charges? With my mid-2012 MBP I can buy a gen 1 MagSafe charger and it'll have everything it needs to work with the computer. Last I checked the USB-C chargers aren't any cheaper, but they don't come with a cable that will connect it to a computer. The cable, of course, is another $30 or so.

brandonjm 8y ago

> the uproar over keyboard problems started far too recently to have affected the design of the 2018 version. The lawsuits were more recent, but Apple has known about the issue long before designing the 2018 MBP. This keyboard was on the 2015 MacBook and people have been complaining since early 2017 about the MBP.

geophile 8y ago

TFA (and other reporting) says the keyboard is marginally more reliable. But 1) it's still a keyboard with almost no travel, and 2) not only is the touchbar still there, but the non-touchbar option is gone.