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I don't see how anyone's privacy was invaded here.

by sjdbwixb 8y ago

endorphone 8y ago
You have an extraordinarily limited notion of what privacy is.
- paulcole 8y ago
  Maybe a more modern notion? For better or worse society’s definition of privacy is definitely changing.
  - musage 8y ago
    Society is not a person, it doesn't have a definition. It's just an abstract excuse used by actual individuals. If you want to propose, as a person, a particular notion of privacy, do so.
  - HarryHirsch 8y ago
    Yes, that's a problem. It's a question of scale, nowadays you can broadcast whatever you like to an audience of millions. Not that you should. The law addresses questions of scale, though. If you call your ex you are a sad case. If you call her 100s of times a day you are a stalker and different rules apply.
  - Sir_Substance 8y ago
    >For better or worse society’s definition of privacy is definitely changing. That's a matter of perception. You perceive it to be changing. I don't know anyone who would willingly be on the receiving end of what this woman suffered. I do not see societies definition of privacy changing. I see a small group of needy people using using loopholes in the law to harm others in order to re-enforce their own ego. The law is slowly catching up with the digital age. We'll outlaw all this stuff eventually. Unfortunately, most of this is falling to case law and case law is very reactive, so in general someone has to be badly harmed for each loophole to be closed. Still, we'll make it. In the mean time, it's important to enact community punishment on the trespassers. The woman who did this did it because she is looking for employment. On the off chance that she comes asking to anyone on hacker news: If you care about privacy, do not hire her, and tell her it is because she treats others badly.
musage 8y ago
Maybe that would make it okay to do it to you, but even then it doesn't justify it being done to anyone but you.
jaclaz 8y ago
See if these other articles help you in seeing where the problem might be: http://www.businessinsider.com/planebae-saga-woman-privacy-anonymity-2018-7?IR=T http://www.businessinsider.com/planebae-saga-woman-privacy-a... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/07/unidentified-plane-bae-womans-statement-confirms-the-worst/565139/?single_page=true https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/07/unide... Discussion on the latter: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17534985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17534985
- masonic 8y ago
  Alaska Airlines called what Blair did a "good deed" and offered her a free flight. T-Mobile offered Blair free Wi-Fi. ... and thus ends my patronage of both of these corporations. T-mobile already pissed me off this week by dumping that 1700 megabyte Android 9 update on all of my Galaxy S7 over mobile data in the middle of the night without warning despite my account being set to disallow that, and reverting all security updates back to April in the process.
Sir_Substance 8y ago
Fortunately, the law isn't based on your narcissistic point of view. "Overzealous surveillance, even if it occurs in public, may give rise to intrusion claims or, in some cases, harassment or stalking suits." Source: https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/digital-journalists-legal-guide/liability-intrusive-or-harassing-newsgath https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/digital-jour...

I don't see how anyone's privacy was invaded here.

endorphone 8y ago

You have an extraordinarily limited notion of what privacy is.

paulcole 8y ago
Maybe a more modern notion? For better or worse society’s definition of privacy is definitely changing.
- musage 8y ago
  Society is not a person, it doesn't have a definition. It's just an abstract excuse used by actual individuals. If you want to propose, as a person, a particular notion of privacy, do so.
- HarryHirsch 8y ago
  Yes, that's a problem. It's a question of scale, nowadays you can broadcast whatever you like to an audience of millions. Not that you should. The law addresses questions of scale, though. If you call your ex you are a sad case. If you call her 100s of times a day you are a stalker and different rules apply.
- Sir_Substance 8y ago
  >For better or worse society’s definition of privacy is definitely changing. That's a matter of perception. You perceive it to be changing. I don't know anyone who would willingly be on the receiving end of what this woman suffered. I do not see societies definition of privacy changing. I see a small group of needy people using using loopholes in the law to harm others in order to re-enforce their own ego. The law is slowly catching up with the digital age. We'll outlaw all this stuff eventually. Unfortunately, most of this is falling to case law and case law is very reactive, so in general someone has to be badly harmed for each loophole to be closed. Still, we'll make it. In the mean time, it's important to enact community punishment on the trespassers. The woman who did this did it because she is looking for employment. On the off chance that she comes asking to anyone on hacker news: If you care about privacy, do not hire her, and tell her it is because she treats others badly.

musage 8y ago

Maybe that would make it okay to do it to you, but even then it doesn't justify it being done to anyone but you.

jaclaz 8y ago

See if these other articles help you in seeing where the problem might be: http://www.businessinsider.com/planebae-saga-woman-privacy-anonymity-2018-7?IR=T http://www.businessinsider.com/planebae-saga-woman-privacy-a... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/07/unidentified-plane-bae-womans-statement-confirms-the-worst/565139/?single_page=true https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/07/unide... Discussion on the latter: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17534985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17534985

masonic 8y ago
Alaska Airlines called what Blair did a "good deed" and offered her a free flight. T-Mobile offered Blair free Wi-Fi. ... and thus ends my patronage of both of these corporations. T-mobile already pissed me off this week by dumping that 1700 megabyte Android 9 update on all of my Galaxy S7 over mobile data in the middle of the night without warning despite my account being set to disallow that, and reverting all security updates back to April in the process.

Sir_Substance 8y ago

Fortunately, the law isn't based on your narcissistic point of view. "Overzealous surveillance, even if it occurs in public, may give rise to intrusion claims or, in some cases, harassment or stalking suits." Source: https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/digital-journalists-legal-guide/liability-intrusive-or-harassing-newsgath https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/digital-jour...