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I don't know about you, but the organizations/people that I work with would not tolerate repeated yelling/anger at people trying to do their jobs, or in this ca

I don't know about you, but the organizations/people that I work with would not tolerate repeated yelling/anger at people trying to do their jobs, or in this case, contribute to a free community project, let alone to the point of becoming a stain on the entire project and a frequent topic of discussion around the world. You're quiet right that Mr. Torvalds is not in some permanent state of rage and does not respond inappropriately to all, maybe even most, messages on the lkml. But the fact remains that he and thus his project have a serious problem with hostility. I could understand flipping out on someone who was paid to do a job and didn't even try, someone who was deliberately introducing bugs, etc. But a simple disagreement between highly intelligent and dedicated FOSS developers never calls for this sophomoric behavior.

Aloha 8y ago
there is nothing fundamentally wrong with violent disagreement about technical issues, as someone who has been on the pointy end of the stick, you cant take it personally, its debate with people who have very strong feelings, about highly technical issues.
mpweiher 8y ago
> organizations/people that I work with would not tolerate Almost all organizations are highly dysfunctional...and in my experience particularly the ones that are intolerant of passionate discussion.
- gpderetta 8y ago
  There is passionate discussion and there is personal attacks and insults.
michaelmrose 8y ago
The few cases I've seen posted seem to be exactly about someone deliberately inserting bad code and MOST work is done by people who ARE in fact being paid for this mediocre work AND know better. Example https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=mty1mza https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=mty1mza Glass door estimates Kay is presumably paid 80-160k for this work and people have somewhat a right to be angry if code like this is pushed.
golergka 8y ago
And how successful these organizations and people are, compared to Linux?

Aloha 8y ago

there is nothing fundamentally wrong with violent disagreement about technical issues, as someone who has been on the pointy end of the stick, you cant take it personally, its debate with people who have very strong feelings, about highly technical issues.

mpweiher 8y ago

> organizations/people that I work with would not tolerate Almost all organizations are highly dysfunctional...and in my experience particularly the ones that are intolerant of passionate discussion.

gpderetta 8y ago
There is passionate discussion and there is personal attacks and insults.

michaelmrose 8y ago

The few cases I've seen posted seem to be exactly about someone deliberately inserting bad code and MOST work is done by people who ARE in fact being paid for this mediocre work AND know better. Example https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=mty1mza https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=mty1mza Glass door estimates Kay is presumably paid 80-160k for this work and people have somewhat a right to be angry if code like this is pushed.

golergka 8y ago

And how successful these organizations and people are, compared to Linux?