4 ms·

> Seems like he does that in every excerpt that gets posted here. That's because only messages in which he is yelling at someone get posted here. AFAIK, most m

by cesarb 8y ago

> Seems like he does that in every excerpt that gets posted here. That's because only messages in which he is yelling at someone get posted here. AFAIK, most messages he posts are neutral, but these are boring, so they don't get posted here. I just scrolled through LKML and found a random example of his normal tone (https://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg2852881.html https://www.spinics.net/lists/kernel/msg2852881.html): "So none of the patches looked scary to me, but then, neither did earlier versions. It's the testing that worries me most. Pretty much no developers run 32-bit any more, and I'd be most worried about the odd interactions that might be hw-specific. Some crazy EFI mapping setup or the similar odd case that simply requires a particular configuration or setup. But I guess those issues will never be found until we just spring this all on the unsuspecting public. Linus"

morpheuskafka 8y ago
I don't know about you, but the organizations/people that I work with would not tolerate repeated yelling/anger at people trying to do their jobs, or in this case, contribute to a free community project, let alone to the point of becoming a stain on the entire project and a frequent topic of discussion around the world. You're quiet right that Mr. Torvalds is not in some permanent state of rage and does not respond inappropriately to all, maybe even most, messages on the lkml. But the fact remains that he and thus his project have a serious problem with hostility. I could understand flipping out on someone who was paid to do a job and didn't even try, someone who was deliberately introducing bugs, etc. But a simple disagreement between highly intelligent and dedicated FOSS developers never calls for this sophomoric behavior.
- Aloha 8y ago
  there is nothing fundamentally wrong with violent disagreement about technical issues, as someone who has been on the pointy end of the stick, you cant take it personally, its debate with people who have very strong feelings, about highly technical issues.
- mpweiher 8y ago
  > organizations/people that I work with would not tolerate Almost all organizations are highly dysfunctional...and in my experience particularly the ones that are intolerant of passionate discussion.
  - gpderetta 8y ago
    There is passionate discussion and there is personal attacks and insults.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  The few cases I've seen posted seem to be exactly about someone deliberately inserting bad code and MOST work is done by people who ARE in fact being paid for this mediocre work AND know better. Example https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=mty1mza https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=mty1mza Glass door estimates Kay is presumably paid 80-160k for this work and people have somewhat a right to be angry if code like this is pushed.
- golergka 8y ago
  And how successful these organizations and people are, compared to Linux?

by cesarb 8y ago

morpheuskafka 8y ago

I don't know about you, but the organizations/people that I work with would not tolerate repeated yelling/anger at people trying to do their jobs, or in this case, contribute to a free community project, let alone to the point of becoming a stain on the entire project and a frequent topic of discussion around the world. You're quiet right that Mr. Torvalds is not in some permanent state of rage and does not respond inappropriately to all, maybe even most, messages on the lkml. But the fact remains that he and thus his project have a serious problem with hostility. I could understand flipping out on someone who was paid to do a job and didn't even try, someone who was deliberately introducing bugs, etc. But a simple disagreement between highly intelligent and dedicated FOSS developers never calls for this sophomoric behavior.

Aloha 8y ago
there is nothing fundamentally wrong with violent disagreement about technical issues, as someone who has been on the pointy end of the stick, you cant take it personally, its debate with people who have very strong feelings, about highly technical issues.
mpweiher 8y ago
> organizations/people that I work with would not tolerate Almost all organizations are highly dysfunctional...and in my experience particularly the ones that are intolerant of passionate discussion.
- gpderetta 8y ago
  There is passionate discussion and there is personal attacks and insults.
michaelmrose 8y ago
The few cases I've seen posted seem to be exactly about someone deliberately inserting bad code and MOST work is done by people who ARE in fact being paid for this mediocre work AND know better. Example https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=mty1mza https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=mty1mza Glass door estimates Kay is presumably paid 80-160k for this work and people have somewhat a right to be angry if code like this is pushed.
golergka 8y ago
And how successful these organizations and people are, compared to Linux?