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You can pay in cash, but you're still going to get the same background check you would get at a retail location. If you're trying to do something shady you woul

You can pay in cash, but you're still going to get the same background check you would get at a retail location. If you're trying to do something shady you would be buying from a private individual in a parking lot somewhere.

bb88 8y ago
Sellers in gun shows in most states aren't required to do background checks. Hence the name, "Gun Show Loophole." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
- somebodynew 8y ago
  Anyone who is in the business of selling firearms is required by federal law to have a federal license which requires them to perform a background check on all sales, whether they're at a dedicated store or a gun show. The only "loophole" is that you might be able to find a private individual willing to sell something from their closet. Some guy in an F-150 in the parking lot will sell you an old gun without a background check. An actual gun seller with stock at a gun show will perform a background check just like they would anywhere else.
  - bb88 8y ago
    Nope. Private people can have stock at gun shows and not be required to have a Federal Firearm License. I'll put a link here, not that you'll check it. http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-fi...
    - somebodynew 8y ago
      We're not going to have a productive conversation if you assume anyone who disagrees with your political positions is incapable of or unwilling to read. Yes, a private individual could liquidate their closet of guns they don't want anymore at a gun show without being legally required to conduct a background check. They can't have "stock" or "inventory" or otherwise resemble any attempt to be in the business of selling firearms or they're going to get a nasty visit from BATFE.
- Consultant32452 8y ago
  The gun show loophole has nothing to do with gun shows and everything to do with private sales. The vast majority of gun sales at gun shows are from licensed arms dealers and they are required to do a background check. Requiring background checks for private gun sales sounds like a good idea until you do the research on the effort vs benefit. The effort to enforce this would be massive and virtually no gun crimes are committed with these guns anyways. In practical terms you'd have to track every firearm and figure out what to do when Grandpa does and leaves his gun to his children. A parent would have to run a background check on their own child of they buy a gun for them as a gift. Realistically, the only time it could be determined that a gun was sold in private without a background check is if the gun is eventually used in a crime and recovered. The vast, vast majority of guns that wind up in the hands of criminals are through corrupt licensed dealers and straw purchases. If the purpose of gun control laws is to prevent violent crime, then there's no loophole here since this is not a significant source of weapons used in violent crimes.
  - maxerickson 8y ago
    Requiring parents to do background checks on their children would create liability for a parent that gave a gun to a child that shouldn't have one. Your argument that it is silly hinges on the idea that parents wouldn't ever do that. But they would. Those background checks in total would have little impact, but it's not a good argument against requiring background checks.
    - Consultant32452 8y ago
      Can you provide any evidence that suggests these private sales are a significant source of weapons used in violent crimes? If they're not a significant source of guns used in violent crime, how would you justify such a law?
esaym 8y ago
>but you're still going to get the same background check you would get at a retail location Depending on the state (I guess), private sellers are allowed their own booths at gun shows and only dealers are required to do background checks (this is part of the "gun show loop hole"). But private sellers at gun shows make up a small percent, mostly just collectors. There would be no profit to buy a gun and then try to sell it as a private sell at a gun show. "Gun people" are not stupid and the last thing that would be allowed at a gun show would be someone posing as a private seller and selling marked up firearms to people that would otherwise refuse to pay a lower price from a dealer but would have to do a background check with them....
pmcginn 8y ago
This isn't true in the vast majority of states. Private sales, regardless of if they're at a gun show or a parking lot, only require a background check in six states (and three of those don't require a background check for long arms.) https://www.csgv.org/issues-archive/gun-show-loophole-faq/ https://www.csgv.org/issues-archive/gun-show-loophole-faq/
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bb88 8y ago

Sellers in gun shows in most states aren't required to do background checks. Hence the name, "Gun Show Loophole." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

somebodynew 8y ago
Anyone who is in the business of selling firearms is required by federal law to have a federal license which requires them to perform a background check on all sales, whether they're at a dedicated store or a gun show. The only "loophole" is that you might be able to find a private individual willing to sell something from their closet. Some guy in an F-150 in the parking lot will sell you an old gun without a background check. An actual gun seller with stock at a gun show will perform a background check just like they would anywhere else.
- bb88 8y ago
  Nope. Private people can have stock at gun shows and not be required to have a Federal Firearm License. I'll put a link here, not that you'll check it. http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/gun-show-fi...
  - somebodynew 8y ago
    We're not going to have a productive conversation if you assume anyone who disagrees with your political positions is incapable of or unwilling to read. Yes, a private individual could liquidate their closet of guns they don't want anymore at a gun show without being legally required to conduct a background check. They can't have "stock" or "inventory" or otherwise resemble any attempt to be in the business of selling firearms or they're going to get a nasty visit from BATFE.
Consultant32452 8y ago
The gun show loophole has nothing to do with gun shows and everything to do with private sales. The vast majority of gun sales at gun shows are from licensed arms dealers and they are required to do a background check. Requiring background checks for private gun sales sounds like a good idea until you do the research on the effort vs benefit. The effort to enforce this would be massive and virtually no gun crimes are committed with these guns anyways. In practical terms you'd have to track every firearm and figure out what to do when Grandpa does and leaves his gun to his children. A parent would have to run a background check on their own child of they buy a gun for them as a gift. Realistically, the only time it could be determined that a gun was sold in private without a background check is if the gun is eventually used in a crime and recovered. The vast, vast majority of guns that wind up in the hands of criminals are through corrupt licensed dealers and straw purchases. If the purpose of gun control laws is to prevent violent crime, then there's no loophole here since this is not a significant source of weapons used in violent crimes.
- maxerickson 8y ago
  Requiring parents to do background checks on their children would create liability for a parent that gave a gun to a child that shouldn't have one. Your argument that it is silly hinges on the idea that parents wouldn't ever do that. But they would. Those background checks in total would have little impact, but it's not a good argument against requiring background checks.
  - Consultant32452 8y ago
    Can you provide any evidence that suggests these private sales are a significant source of weapons used in violent crimes? If they're not a significant source of guns used in violent crime, how would you justify such a law?

esaym 8y ago

>but you're still going to get the same background check you would get at a retail location Depending on the state (I guess), private sellers are allowed their own booths at gun shows and only dealers are required to do background checks (this is part of the "gun show loop hole"). But private sellers at gun shows make up a small percent, mostly just collectors. There would be no profit to buy a gun and then try to sell it as a private sell at a gun show. "Gun people" are not stupid and the last thing that would be allowed at a gun show would be someone posing as a private seller and selling marked up firearms to people that would otherwise refuse to pay a lower price from a dealer but would have to do a background check with them....

pmcginn 8y ago

This isn't true in the vast majority of states. Private sales, regardless of if they're at a gun show or a parking lot, only require a background check in six states (and three of those don't require a background check for long arms.) https://www.csgv.org/issues-archive/gun-show-loophole-faq/ https://www.csgv.org/issues-archive/gun-show-loophole-faq/

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